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Old 08-31-2007, 06:37 PM
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Do you need a 1st class physical to fly as PIC on a corporate aircraft operating under Parts 91 or 135?
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:23 AM
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You'll need atleast a 2nd class. Althought most departments will require a 1st class.
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:20 AM
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In 91, a first class is not required unless the company requires it. Some companies require a first class once a year that can lapse to a second class after 6 months. Some companies add a requirement to take an even more thorough non-FAA physical at the 6 month interval after the FAA physical.

In 135, a first class is required if you operate in a position that requires use of an ATP rating, i.e. PIC of anything requiring a type rating. Once again, though, the company may have other policies over and above, especially if they participate in any accredidation audit programs, like Wyvern, etc.
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While not required for 91 ops, a first class medical can help when flying internationally. If you get ramp checked it can be quite a hassle trying to explain how a 2nd class FAA medical is actually the equivalent to an ICAO 1st class.

ICAO = 1st: Professional Aviators, 2nd: Recreational Aviators, 3rd: ATC
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In Europe, when you get ramped they arent sure when they see a class 2. It just takes some time to explain it to them. Unless your in France, then you are just in for a long night of negotiating. In our department we all carry a class 1. Its just easier that way.
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Thanks for the info. I am just trying to assest my options after my 121 career.
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Old 09-02-2007, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax View Post
Do you need a 1st class physical to fly as PIC on a corporate aircraft operating under Parts 91 or 135?
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 61—CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS
Subpart A—General


§ 61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration.

(a) Operations requiring a medical certificate. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, a person—

(1) Must hold a first-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of an airline transport pilot certificate;

(2) Must hold at least a second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a commercial pilot certificate; or

(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate;

(ii) When exercising the privileges of a recreational pilot certificate;

(iii) When exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate;


AAHH the rules, I just love the rules .

So if the aircraft you are flying requires a type rating (most corp.aircraft do) and your type rating is on your ATP certificate and not a part of your commercial pilot privileges then you must hold a current 1st class medical certificate to operate the aircraft as Pilot In Command.
So look at your certificates carefully.
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:58 AM
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The catch is, a first class medical is always a first class medical, even after 6 months. After 6 months you can only perform operations that require less than a first class medical, but it is still a first class medical. I know, semantics, but it is the truth. It depend on the company you work for and the rules you are operating under. Clear as mud?

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Old 11-05-2007, 01:41 PM
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This may be a stupid question, but if I got my FAA Class 1 ticket on 20 May 2007, when does it lapse to a Class 2? Was it good until 31 Oct or 30 Nov? Thanks.

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Old 11-05-2007, 04:25 PM
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1st until Nov. 30, equivalent of 2cnd Dec. 1
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