CRM problem of co-captains?
04-21-2012, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Was "we don't have any SOPs or written procedures" sited as the probable cause of the accident?
Not trying to start an argument, just annuciating specific instances of SOP issues I'm aware of. Will also provide the citation regarding the lawsuit in the first case mentioned.
04-21-2012, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Not trying to start an argument
Don't think my postings mean I think SOPs are useless - they absolutely are not! I'm also not opposed to having them, and think VERY highly of standardized operating procedures.
I just believe in many small Part 91 operations with 2-3 pilots, having a FOM and/or SMS manual really isn't necessary in order to safely operate the aircraft so long as open lines of communication exist between all pilots.
K.I.S.S., if you will.
04-21-2012, 05:44 AM
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K.I.S.S. just doesn't go over well in today's legal environment.
Of course having SOPs, and acting in violation to them, will end up being causal in a mishap investigation as quickly as NOT having an SOP in place to begin with in your operation.
USMCFLYR
Of course having SOPs, and acting in violation to them, will end up being causal in a mishap investigation as quickly as NOT having an SOP in place to begin with in your operation.
USMCFLYR
04-21-2012, 06:45 AM
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Boiler,
The legal issues of the first case I mentioned was described in an article in Aviation International News in April of 2003 - can be found online.
Here's the NTSB from the second case I was mentioning,
"The pilot's failure to initiate a missed approach and his failure to obtain the proper touchdown point while landing in the rain. Contributing to the accident were the operator's lack of standard operating procedures and the inadequate maintenance of the windshield." -NYC07LA229
Note it does reference the SOPs. It has been a while since I looked at the report in depth - I am involved with a research team trying to develop tools for pilots to utilize when faced with decision making under stress and this was an instance that was investigated.
The topic of SOPs is very complex ranging from normalization of deviance to over-standardization. Given the "perfect"situation, I believe it's the way to go.
The legal issues of the first case I mentioned was described in an article in Aviation International News in April of 2003 - can be found online.
Here's the NTSB from the second case I was mentioning,
"The pilot's failure to initiate a missed approach and his failure to obtain the proper touchdown point while landing in the rain. Contributing to the accident were the operator's lack of standard operating procedures and the inadequate maintenance of the windshield." -NYC07LA229
Note it does reference the SOPs. It has been a while since I looked at the report in depth - I am involved with a research team trying to develop tools for pilots to utilize when faced with decision making under stress and this was an instance that was investigated.
The topic of SOPs is very complex ranging from normalization of deviance to over-standardization. Given the "perfect"situation, I believe it's the way to go.
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