Good plane under 1.5m?
01-10-2013 | 07:25 PM
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A Citation II on 100% programs won't be too bad to operate. Make sure your boss/owner knows the sticker price is the cheap part. Using the thing is expensive. Also, not using the thing is expensive. A Citation will run you about $2,500/hour out the door. That is, if you get a good one.
The Conquest II with -10 engines is very impressive for the price. PM me if want more info on the Conquest. I can put you on a good one and put you in contact with a good source of info.
The Conquest II with -10 engines is very impressive for the price. PM me if want more info on the Conquest. I can put you on a good one and put you in contact with a good source of info.
01-10-2013 | 08:41 PM
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A Citation II on 100% programs won't be too bad to operate. Make sure your boss/owner knows the sticker price is the cheap part. Using the thing is expensive. Also, not using the thing is expensive. A Citation will run you about $2,500/hour out the door. That is, if you get a good one.
The Conquest II with -10 engines is very impressive for the price. PM me if want more info on the Conquest. I can put you on a good one and put you in contact with a good source of info.
The Conquest II with -10 engines is very impressive for the price. PM me if want more info on the Conquest. I can put you on a good one and put you in contact with a good source of info.
I first thought about a 414 or 421. Nice one can be had for about a third of what they are willing to spend, but if they insist on turbine I vote Conquest.
More about their mission; are they just wanting more seats or do they want more speed too?
Oh, if you do go for a 400 series, I strongly suggest getting vortex generators. They help a bit with payload, but make a big difference in safety... IIRC it dropped stall speeds about 10 kts.
01-11-2013 | 03:51 AM
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Also, I'd consider a TBM or Malibu/Jetprop type as a significant "step up". 300+kts (TBM) is pretty fast. Only one engine to rebuild.
01-11-2013 | 05:06 PM
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01-20-2013 | 12:09 PM
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For my money I'd get a Beechjet 400A or an XP if the initial acquisition costs are appropriate. if you looking in the turboprop, you really cant beat a BE-200.
Beechjets operate anywhere between 1800-2300 an hour depending on how fast you fly, and if your in a good location with access to shop parts/labor.
They are very versatitle aircraft, and crust much faster than citations (.72 vs.55) with comparable payloads. i.e Cessna 500/550 CJ1 etc.
My 2c.
Beechjets operate anywhere between 1800-2300 an hour depending on how fast you fly, and if your in a good location with access to shop parts/labor.
They are very versatitle aircraft, and crust much faster than citations (.72 vs.55) with comparable payloads. i.e Cessna 500/550 CJ1 etc.
My 2c.
01-23-2013 | 03:58 PM
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Just looking for thoughts. Originally, the company had their mindset on the phenom 100 but after a quick 5 year cost break-down, it might not be the best, cost effective solution. Currently we operate the Sr22 Cirrus, so this first jump into the turbine world needs to be a smart decision.
Here's the specs:
1000nm typical service area. Doesn't mind a fuel stop.
3-5 people with pilot 9/10 times.
Must be turbo prop or jet
1.5m flexible budget
Preferable two engines
My thoughts were King air 200 or c90 with blackhawk conversion.
Thoughts?
Here's the specs:
1000nm typical service area. Doesn't mind a fuel stop.
3-5 people with pilot 9/10 times.
Must be turbo prop or jet
1.5m flexible budget
Preferable two engines
My thoughts were King air 200 or c90 with blackhawk conversion.
Thoughts?
01-24-2013 | 07:52 AM
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01-25-2013 | 09:32 AM
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Well, talked to him this morning and he still seems pretty dead set on the Phenom 100. His thoughts are get one brand new ~3.5m and claim 50% depreciation on taxes so he feels as if he got it for 1/2.
I'm still skeptical. This is a new flight department, straight into a multi million dollar jet seems risky.
I'm still skeptical. This is a new flight department, straight into a multi million dollar jet seems risky.
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