Curious what the trickle down effect of the bigger (majors/Lcc's etc) airlines hiring will have on corporate jobs. If airlines hire 5-10% of corporate pilots--that's a huge impact on corporate budgets and ops.... You just don't get a local prop/fighter pilot to take a G5 to Africa/India after a month at Flightsafety.
A rising tide lifts all ships I guess.

 

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leverage. ........

 

billythekid,

Yes, it will affect the smaller operators. The G5 guys are less likely to move--big pay cut from 160k-200k and the risk of being on the bottom of a list. They're usuall older and more settled, too.

To comment on FTB's list:

3 maybe minimum, but 4 is best and 5 is standard for Int'l operators. We have 22 + a Chief for 4 planes; several of the heavy international operators like one of the big banks has 7 per plane. Nice to fly with different folks, too.

Do they have full-time tech,(s) if not, look for the exits. It's one thing to deal with a sick plane away from home, but it's not your job at home. A number of operators take a tech on overseas trips, we do for Africa.

Do they use a F/A? It's become the standard for any international trips or bigger planes on domestic trips. He/she handles the safety briefs, catering for everyone, deals with the TV, DVD, Internet questions or problems. Yes, we have to jump in connecting to the Dirc TV or Internet sometimes, but the cabin is "out back".

Do they charter it? If so, think real hard about the job. None, and I mean NONE, of the good operations charter out the plane. Clue here is it a "managed" plane by EJM, for example. Chartering means clueless passengers, damage, more flying than the Boss has visibility on.

If more than one type on property, how many types do the pilots fly? Correct answer is no more than 2, but one type is a coming thing.

If international, they should have a scheduler(s) on staff and an international trip handler on retainer. We have schedulers who do the basic planning, scheduling with passengers and a retained handler who meets the plane, escorts the pax thru customs and does the same for the crew. Pilots do not have to make arrangements for ground handling, we're not far from the airlines on this one. Van is expected to be wanting, if not, it's call to the handler.

If it is a "family, high wealth" deal expect the same standards. I'd veer away from them, based on my very limited experience, but some guys love 'em. One I know of is so horrible that 500K wouldn't get me there.

If they don't stay at Marriotts or Hiltons or fly overseas business class, you might stay away. The points are good, but if you're going to overseas locations the security and service, not to mention a bit of the USA, are invaluable. I can hack a Courtyard in the US with a rental car, but not in Asia.

Where do they go? Can you live with it? Some people love variety, you might not. I know a very good local operator who 95% of the time go to he same three cities. Hotel greets them like family, tee times are set, cars waiting. They usually are there for 3-4 days, if longer, they ferry home. I'd be bored to tears.

Just one man's advice,

GF

 

The comparison between a 2-man small jet operation to the top corporate operations is like comparing Silver or Great Lakes to Delta. And it's about as hard to make the jump.

GF

 

^^^^^^^^Exactly this.

 

what about a two man large jet operation?

 

hey GF, is pay negotiated with a new hire or do you follow a table? and what about raises?

or let me give a real world example. you have three finalist for one spot and the one guy you decide to hire flew Air Force Uno. A month later you have to hire again and fast so you call back the previous finalists and the best of the lot is 20 years younger than the previous AF1 guy. and say the resume just meets the mins and is considerably less than the previous guy.

is the pay the same?

 

It's pretty much a scale for new hires, then some Director-level banding based on being upgraded and doing a significant, defined duty. I do the Safety Mgt Program, so that's an increment, takes about 2 days a month, which can be at home, just get the work done. All of our guys are captains and paid as such. The last three we hired two years ago all started at the same pay, still here, one guy commutes in, too.

We actually have had in the past, and interviewed recently, 89th guys. They're like anyone else, good and not so much. We have 4 previous CRJ guys, they do fine with some work in international flying experience. I'm surprised some of them haven't left for a legacy major, but might be tied to the paycheck--two are living large in Boston, condos, bar scene, the Cape on days off.

Two-pilot "large" plane. . Too much work!

GF

 

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