I know this has been Discussed on here a few times. I really didn't find the answers I was looking for, plus the thread was several years old. I was curious, are there anybody here that is currently participating in the program out of Dallas? How hard is it to get into the program? I know a few people that have done it in the past, but it has been several years ago.

The one main question I have is, are they only Giving you an SIC Type 135 ride for the time you spend there? Or is it a PIC type when all is said and done? I had heard that around 80sim sessions is when they give you the Type Ride in whatever you have been flying in.

Thanks Guys,

 

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I did it several years back on the CE-500. They sent me to initial training for two weeks and then you start right away doing right seat stuff. I only did about 15 missions before I called it quits. Mainly because I found a job and didn't have the time to do it anymore. I met a lot of cool people but as for being worth my time it probably wasn't. Each mission is 3 to 4 hours long and you have to do 80 of them for simuflite to give you a type rating. Don't get me wrong it was good experience but in the year that I did it I only did 15 missions. Of course that was mainly because I live about an hour and a half away from simuflite. It may be much easier for a person if they live in Dallas. When I joined up I think I had around 1000 hours and everyone from day one tells you don't worry about the 80 sims because there is a good chance that some company you fly with will hire you. I'm not saying that never happens but it is very rare if it does. I was naive enough to believe it at the time.

As for getting in the right seat program, just call the head of the department (ie. Citation, Beechjet, Lear, etc) that you want to get and they will usually rush your resume through.


Also you dont get a SIC type rating at the end of your training. They could give you one but they won't. They will give it to you if you complete 40 sims. That being said all you have to do to complete your SIC training is do three bounces in the actual airplane.

 

G,
I participated in the right seat program about 15yrs ago, cant speak to what they do currently but I worked in the right seat as well as taking care of classroom duties for little over a year. Granted this was before the need of a SIC Type, but I was immediatly given a 135 SIC signoff and then after a year was given a full ATP Type in the aircraft I was involved with. I imagine after getting "burned" by a couple guys getting the training and leaving right after they have tightened up a bit. It is a excellent way to network and learn systems as a low time guy. Best of luck-

 

In my Initial BE-300 class I had two right seat program people. They completed all of the ground school with the initial class and were paired up together in the sim. At the end I heard that one (a graduate from the aviation program at SouthEastern Oklahoma State University) completed all training and would be involved in the right-seat program, but the other did not do well and failed out. I can't speak to his performance in the simulator, but he was not prepared for the academics/oral if he performed as he did during class.

It would seem to be a good opportunity for a low time pilot to participate in a formal training program, learn a higher performance aircraft - both system and flight - and automatic networking which I think is one of the harder aspects of breaking into corporate aviation if that is the avenue you are leaning towards for the future.

 

Was that guy from Southeastern's name Blayze Perkins? I went to college with him.

 

I think it may have been. Don't remember the last name - but the first name is ringing a bell. Can't be 100% sure.

 

Does anyone have any idea if Simuflite MMU has the same program and if they would be looking for anyone?

 

I did it back in '97. Citation 5. Great program to gain experience and network, especially for a young low time CFi as I was.

 

Yes, they do. And yes, they are. Call the front desk at 973-581-7400 and ask for Larry Faes ("Fay-ez").

I was there from the summer of 2010 for about one year before leaving town with another gig. Took a little while to get started but I eventually credited 29 sim sessions after finishing ground school and my own sim training.

Fond memories of rolling straight from a graveyard office shift at JFK into a 7am brief in Morristown...then back home...sleep while eating...rinse...repeat. Even did it while sitting airline reserve before my LGA base got the axe. But that was my choice. They don't require you to work nearly that hard or often! You are only expected to be available when you say you're going to be available, within reason.

I had 450hrs at the time and they couldn't have been happier to bring me on board. Had class with a guy who already had a type and was looking for work (ended up being recruited as a full time instructor) as well as a CO/UA Captain who was late for ground school because he had just arrived from Dublin.

I fell out of currency for their program once I left town and thus never came close to earning the type, but I would go back there for a few months of straight right-seating the moment I lose my job. Knock on wood.

B