pilotrod

Question, I am trying to get on with a local corporate flight department. I have been told by many pilots that you can ride right seat in the 200 (under 12500 lbs.) which does not require a type rating, or co-pilot, and log the time that you are the sole manipulator of the controls. I have my CMEL with instrument. I have 100 multi, 1200 tt, no turbine time. The Chief pilot of the company tells me their insurance company requires 200 multi, 2500 tt for a co-pilot in the kingair under part 91 ops. Is he blowing smoke up my a** or is this the norm. There is another corporate outfit where I live flying the 200 that routinely allow their co-pilots with very little multi time to fly right seat to build time, provided the person in the left seat meets the minimum insurance requirements. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks

Pilotpip

The policy could be spot on. Take a look at climbto350.com and see what the minimums are for many flight departments and you'll quickly see that they can be pretty high.

FlaZoomie

Sounds about right, 2500TT and 200ME.

aero550

Whether he's "blowing smoke" or not, he's the guy doing the hiring. He may be using the insurance company as the excuse, but either way, those are his company's mins.

Often times, companies don't want to saddle their captains with extremely low time co-pilots because the job can be difficult enough as it is, without having to teach fundamentals. Also, the reason the company chooses to operate with two pilots in the first place is because they want two competent, qualified, experienced pilots in the cockpit. The chief pilot is just doing his job to meet that mandate.

hatetobreakit2u

nevermind i wasnt answering your question here

fatmike69

As what kind of time? If you log it as PIC you have to have a high altitude endorsement. Otherwise dual received is the only way.

SkyHigh

You can log whatever you want you just cant use everything towards currency or a rating. It is up to the employer to decide if your experience is worthy of their minimums.

Companies constantly are discounting different types of flight time like; instructing, helicopter or pic.

SKyHigh

Ziggy

This is a very tricky subject. You'll want to look under Part 1, definitions to find out what exactly you can log.
I would be very careful to log PIC, because although you would be the "sole manipulator" or pilot flying. You would not be the one responsible for the flight, or true "pilot in command".
What Skyhigh states is true. But also be careful because what some companies discount, other's could take offense to and will never consider you for the future.

AVIVIII

Bah-
If you have an AMEL ticket it is legal for you to fly it. And it is legal for you to log it. Even if you are logging dual received you can still log PIC as you are already rated in the aircraft. Now if you are logging PIC time on that aircraft and it isn't dual given, you had better be able to talk about it and know whats going on. If you don't know Jack about turbine engines or systems, then I wouldn't log it as such. If you are logging dual received and logging it as PIC, it is legit flight training, regardless of what seat you are sitting in. Go a head, log it, use it, its fine. This is of course dependent on the fact that the other guy is a CFI.

A certain company's requirements may or may not allow you to ride right seat. Certain operations may or may not allow you to ride right seat. If it is 135 PAX, i don't think that you can be in the right seat. But for some reason, if you found someone with a King Air 200 that was out turning jet A into noise under part 91 and they were a CFI, then sure, there is no problem.

Minimums are minimums, and as you spend more and more time in the industry, you will find that some make sense and some don't, but they are what they are. Also remember that minimum time and competitive time are different things.

iflyjets4food

This is only half true. If you're looking for an airline job, they'll discount the PIC time logged in the 200 since you weren't the Part 1 PIC. As far as deciding what I can log, I refer to part 61. In 61, it tells you exactly what you can log. If you are multi-engine rated, log the time you are sole manipulator. If anyone asks, tell them exactly why it is that you can log that time; the freakin FAA says so.