Guys
Help me out here. I can not find the reg on this. I understand if you are typed in an aircraft that you have not flown in the past 5 years you need to have another initial in that type? Anybody hear of that and if so what reg (61) is it.
Thanks

 

Never heard of a reg like that. Your insurance company or airline training manual will determine this I suspect.

 

I have heard of it, but don't where to find it in the regs. I looked through part 61, as well.

 

No initial required again if you're already typed. You're just not current in type anymore so you would have to do a 61.58, PIC proficiency check, often referred to as recurrent.
You can elect to do a full initial course, but it's not required by the regs and at the end they will just sign you off for a 61.58 anyway.

 

That is true in a lot of Asia and Europe but not the US. The types over there expire if you are not active.

Just started flying on a type here in the US I've not used in 14 years and the FAA had no problem with it.

Not to say your insurance company might require it though.

 

Type-ratings don't expire. No initial required. You're just not current.

 

I had to attend a F900 initial because I had not flown one in over 5 years. This was a requirement of the training facility who felt the recurrent model was not enough to properly prepare the client to successfully pass a proficiency test.

Personally I think it was so they could charge me for a full initial again

But as others have stated, your US type rating does not expire.

 

I know CAE has a step between recurrent and a type rating: requalification training. It's designed for pilots who have been out of the aircraft for more than a year - an extra day of ground school and an extra sim session, I believe. That sounds like what you might need.

 

I was in your shoes a few months ago with nearly the exact same situation.
Assuming it's a part 91 operation like I am, then it may be a requirement of which school you go to. I last trained in a particular plane in 2008 and I was about to go to school this year in the same type, but a different model. I called Simcom and they were insistent on a full initial. Simuflight said that were willing to work with me and give me an upgraded recurrent, extra days and sim time.
Flight Safety said maybe, and here is the e-mail I got from them.

Requalification Training
The following guidelines will be followed for conducting requalification training:
A. A pilot-who has been unqualified in this aircraft type for 12 months, or less, may re-qualify using the Recurrent Training course and passing a 61,58 Proficiency Check. The
Proficiency Check may be Progressive or Stand-alone.
B. A pilot who has been unqualified in this aircraft type for more than 12 months, but less than
60 months, may re-qualify using the Recurrent Training and passing a S61.58 Proficiency
Check. The Proficiency Check must be Stand-alone.
C. A pilot who has been unqualified in this aircraft for 60 months, or more, will normally be required to re-quality using an Initial course and passing a S61.58 Proficiency Check. The
Proficiency Check must be Stand-alone. (NOTE)

I really didn't want to go through a full initial, so, I was signed up for the recurrent, prior experience course, 61.157.
After the first day of classroom and into the pre-flight briefing right before the first sim session, I was asked questions about my last training in this type and any other types I trained in just after this type. We even had a meeting in the training directors office with others involved too. It was decided to let me continue training, as is, and get approval from the local Feds, which came shortly before I went into the sim.

My training was, class one full day and then 3 full sim sessions, I was alone so I was in both seats, 2 hours in each seat, 4 hours total each session. Then there was a kind of Loft session and on the last day a full Type Rating oral and check ride. I did have some additional classroom mixed in there too, like performance and differences.
One of the issues they were asking themselves was if they needed to fill out another 8710 form, turns out they didn't.

My last training in this type was in '08, but the currency ran until '09, my saving grace was that even though I was over the 60 months, I continued to be current in another type un-interrupted until now.

One more thing, make sure you get your training approved by the training director first and not the marketing department. I let the other pilot make the arrangements and even though they knew of my situation and past training dates, it still came down to the last minute on whether they would let me continue.
I hope my experiences help you.