DOH is irrelevant to relative seniority (ie seniority in BES), which is what matters when bidding against others in your BES, be it for a VIL, a schedule, etc. Sure an earlier DOH will yield better relative seniority, but a 2013 hire could be senior or junior depending on his BES. A 2008 hire couldn’t even hold an April VIL in my BES, which btw is not a very senior BES. It went in the top 30% of my BES. Do you consider top 30% in BES junior? I don’t. Not sure how the concept of relative seniority isn’t registering with you. It’s how this industry works. And thanks for the offer to parse data, but you’re the one who put DOH for all the bottom VIL awardees trying to back your argument, which quickly got shot down. So I yield that offer back to you. But you won’t do it since it will prove how silly your initial position was that VILs went junior in April.

So I’m not Dr.Fauci...but what are your thoughts about using the steam function from the hotel iron to disinfect things(hotel bedding, luggage , etc)?

Glad you are recovering, but I heard it's just a flu.

Another FA has died to it. Think that makes one pilot and 3 FAs so far. 2 of the FAs were fairly young.

Got removed from the ventilator today! After (I believe) 6 days.. wow,
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Stay Healthy, Strong & Well~
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lol (I laugh as a 'survivor'.. which results in it's own LOL)

For some, it's actually nothing!
For others, it's kinda like a bad cold..
For others, it is like the flu/influenza! But they still stay home and battle it out~
For some, it's bad enough to warrant a hospital stay.
For some of those in the hospital.. it's either a few days and released or it's longer, on a ventilator.

But for an unfortunate few (and that is what it is), it does lead to death.

I think we should all be honest and admit.. like 'the flu', it's out there and almost everyone will (unfortunately) catch it at some point. But don't let the news media, social media and message boards get you so afraid that you lose your sanity.
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Thanks for your insight Motch. There does seem to be a genetic component to it. Extremely athletic 20 year olds have caught very bad cases of Covid. Others (even elderly) don’t even know they had it. Very strange. I guess we’ll learn more over time. At any rate, very happy you’re on the mend. Wishing you a continued speedy recovery.

I don't think anyone here takes HighFlight's posts seriously. Seems like he tries to be contrarian but then just makes a fool of himself and the profession.

Safety , What Safety ?
 

[QUOTE=Phil Laschio;3026413]The KCM line in CLT was shut down last week. They had 30 crewmembers less than a foot apart going through the normal lane. Van pulled up at hotel and 8 off line FAs packed in. They wanted to jam my crew of 4 in there. I pinged an Uber black. Hotel found other van. Where exactly is the social distancing again? I get I commute. So I have to wedge myself between Eddie Ebola and Glenda Gonorrhea in a middle seat. Especially now since only 1 in 12 flights is going to NYC from my city. But we’re riding air trains, sitting in the same rooms in hotels (so they don’t have to space us out so rooms are easier to clean), hotel shuttles, and eating carry outs from potentially asymptomatic employees. All to fly 2 legs of a four day. Really? I don’t know what the answer is.. But we should be told whether our crews are testing positive and at what rate.[/QUOTE
Yes all that Safety talk is lawyer and boardroom talk , you should be filing OSHA reports and report this egregious practice to your Union reps and State legislstors , better yet just CALL IN SICK ........

yep.... he still tried to make people think that April VIL went junior....

exactly. name ONE other job/career that "allows" employees to live basically wherever they want! As much as I empathize with commuters and despise crash pads, its still a choice to commute.

But it's also the "industry standard". Airlines enjoy having workers in the costly major metro areas without necessarily having to pay wages appropriate to the local COL (especially at regionals). Don't forget, FA's, mechs and gate agents often commute too.

That could all change, but it would take time for the dust to settle and the industry to accommodate. JS access almost got removed for good after 9/11... it was the airlines, not the unions that saved that one.

If about half of pilots commute, then some significant percentage would simply quit rather than move to base... commuters often have life-circumstances (child custody, parents to care for, need family nearby for child care, wife makes big bucks in non-portable job, etc).

Airlines don't want to find out how that would play out. They've already learned millenials won't live in their car and heat their food in the mini-mart microwave just for 121 SIC.

I think you would see the opposite. If airlines didn’t have pilots commute, you would see more pilots picking up open time which reduces the total cost of staffing, would require less reserves for when commuters miss their flights, and would end up with a happier and less jaded workforce.

Then again, if the Colgate 3407 pilot commuting in on a red eye and being fatigued prior to their crash didn’t place additional restrictions on commuting, I cannot see what would.

Oil workers. I have a few roughneck friends that live anywhere they want, they get paid airline tickets and housing.

Even if there wasn't another industry, literally *everything* is negotiable. You give employers the privilege of your labor in exchange for compensation or benefits that assist you in giving them your labor. That's why some companies lend people company cars. If you're never done anything other than be a pilot, you probably wouldn't know. There is *nothing* stopping commuter aid like funded hotel rooms and positive space from becoming the norm. If a CEO wanted to do what is best for the company, he could make a choice to make it easier for employees to get to work like offering positive space vs. standby and friendly commuter and dependability policies. It builds intangible strengths like loyalty. The problem is that most airline pilots are defeated by exploitative employers in an industry of vultures so they have learned to accept moldy breadcrumbs. You're accustomed to begging. If you want to live in an industry of indentured servitude, you can with your beliefs. Don't have sympathy for airlines - look out for your own team first, don't be a shill for those who have exploited you for so long. Professional pilots must demand high standards because under our capitalistic system, it's our job to look out for ourselves. You're a highly skilled, highly educated professional, significantly more so than any CEO with a worthless MBA and you must demand and expect proportionately to your worth.

Here's what happens when you don't do your job well: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ball-of-flames

Virtually no one at an airline has that level of responsibility except a professional pilot.

Q

4 CMs in total. One was an inflight CM who was retired NYFD and was on the pile for weeks following 9/11. He was a good guy. I've flown with him a few times. We all know about Kevin. The third was a drug and alcohol testing coordinator in Long Island City on the HR team, and the fourth was an inflight CM who had been on leave since 2018.