B6 pilot passes Covid?
 

One of the wives has posted on a B6 wives social media page that her husband just passed away from Covid 19. Advised the CP office this past week he had it. Unverified other than this post. Looking into. Found name on seniority list. Junior. Age...49.

Yep. Terrible news. Great guy. Deteriorated quickly. This is no joke. Prayers for the family.

The KCM line in CLT was shut down last week. They had 30 crewmembers less than a foot apart going through the normal lane. Van pulled up at hotel and 8 off line FAs packed in. They wanted to jam my crew of 4 in there. I pinged an Uber black. Hotel found other van. Where exactly is the social distancing again? I get I commute. So I have to wedge myself between Eddie Ebola and Glenda Gonorrhea in a middle seat. Especially now since only 1 in 12 flights is going to NYC from my city. But we’re riding air trains, sitting in the same rooms in hotels (so they don’t have to space us out so rooms are easier to clean), hotel shuttles, and eating carry outs from potentially asymptomatic employees. All to fly 2 legs of a four day. Really? I don’t know what the answer is.. But we should be told whether our crews are testing positive and at what rate.

But HIPAA laws!

My deepest condolences to his family and the family of jetblue
be safe

100%. The airlines (not just JB) are going to be facing serious repercussions when this all winds down. You have crewmembers literally dying in order to fly 3 people to a destination. Borderline insanity at this point.

If someone tests positive then we need to know when and where. You dont have to give names, but having actual numbers would give us a much better idea of what we're truly dealing with.

It’s not HIPAA
 

HIPAA Laws have nothing to do with it. Bad PR has everything to do with it. The company has an affirmative duty to inform crewmembers of possible exposure. They cannot identify the suspect person, but they don’t have to. A date would suffice. With that ambiguity, it could be TSA, Gate Agent, Tech Ops, someone in the crew room, a passenger, etc ... Anonymity and the prospective patient’s rights are preserved. Every airline wants to cover up the number of infected, positive, and deceased, because every airline is absolutely doing the minimum or less to protect their employees.

What leads you to believe anyone is covering anything up?

The bagger and checker at my local grocery store are closer than we are. They also come into close contact with more people in a shift. Why are we special?

Stay focused on the fact that we lost a coworker, not that any airline is to blame.

Nobody is saying we are special. The way this is all being handled though is absolutely **** poor.

The baggers/checkers at my grocery store have been behind a 4x4 sheet of plexi-glass to keep them safer, and are not allowed to handle customers reusable bags and are provided with wipes and hand sanitizer for when they handle cash.

The airlines have been telling people to continue working without providing PPE, and if someone you worked with tests positive, to continue working unless you show symptoms. We have cockpit cleaning which is nice, but it's not a daily routine and numerous crews, techs, airport workers and 3rd party workers pass through it between flights. 1 of my last 4 flights had wipes onboard for cleaning. Social distancing is not a thing, hotels continue to put crews on the same floor for easier cleaning for their staff, and we continue to operate into and out of hot zones.

Like I said, I think there's going to be real legal repurcussions when this all ends. Not just our industry, but multiple. I'm no legal genius but I feel like me having an email that says I've been exposed to the virus and 'You can continue working until you develop symptoms' would be a field day for any lawyer.

Between VILs and bidding RSV there has been ample opportunity to avoid flying if you really don’t want to.

There were not many VILs for April and they went pretty senior. Lots of people still commuting to reserve sitting in crashpads. And lots of people unable to commute to lines so spending more time in crashpads. Also a lot more deadheading. It’s not quite as easy as you make it sound to avoid flying or exposure.

What good is avoiding flying if you’re sitting SCR in a Crashpad in Kew Gardens? Yep, you’ll avoid flying alright. There won’t be any. I’m sure Cuomo would love a glimpse at Crashpad life.

Nobody has to do it, I think every airline now will let you go on COVID leave for almost any reason (at-risk, family at-risk, no daycare, anal glaucoma, etc).

But we can't all just stay home, expect to get paid and have jobs to come back to in the long-term.

But condolences about the guy who passed, may be the first US pilot I've heard of.

The ones who really have it bad are the medical workers at the front line. Insufficient protective gear and they're having to work with patients known or likely to have the virus. Then risk taking it home to their families. There's just no way to avoid it entirely short of staying in bed 24/7.

My stepdaughter is an HR manager at a frozen food plant about an hour from DFW, all their employees are getting 10% hazard pay and the ones who are "at risk" are allowed to use sick time to stay home.

RIP to the B6 pilot. I just read a B6 FA has also died
. He was a retired FDNY captain.

[Nobody has to do it, I think every airline now will let you go on COVID leave for almost any reason (at-risk, family at-risk, no daycare, anal glaucoma, etc)]
Are you sure? Or are you guessing? (You’re guessing. Don’t guess.)

[But we can't all just stay home, expect to get paid and have jobs to come back to in the long-term.]
When did this become a binary choice between fly or shut it down? No one should be unnecessarily put at risk because cleaning the aircraft and providing promised sanitizing equipment is not being done. “Operational Necessity” has a place, but its place is not in the airline world. Chartering medical workers and medical supplies with properly cleaned aircraft? Great idea! Right now B6 is still trying to figure out the cleaning and provisioning part.

[But condolences about the guy who passed, may be the first US pilot I've heard of.]
It took you awhile and you buried the lede, but you finally got around to saying something. Thank you.

Crashpads are totally illegal in multiple ways in most, if not all, jurisdictions. (Unless it’s really small). Public health laws being one reason....

We've lost one due to COVID at FedEx, company sent out a message a few hours ago. Pls be safe out there-

Very sorry to hear. Thinking about you guys.

Airlines need to get hotel rooms for incoming and outgoing aircrew. This whole notion that they don't "need" to help their employees while outside a pairing footprint is lawyeristically uncaring. Airlines are horrible businesses - they get away with far too much. We can't rely on the FAA to assure health, sanitation, and fatigue. They are bought and paid for as we have seen with the 737 Max and their 60+ yr inaction on cabin fumes. The only solution is for us and ALPA to highlight these deficiencies to the media and social media to short circuit their PR efforts. Crashpad inhabitants need to take lots of pictures and videos of crashpads to shame elected public servants into action. Furthermore, airlines do need to be held legally liable. You can walk into any airline and see walls of advertisements for crashpads, not to mention numerous websites listing them. Many of these slumlords are your coworkers.

Furthermore, BJ must not be allowed to claim "act of God" when it comes to pandemics either.

• What stopped BJ from having more friendly commuter policies that don't force commuters to come in a day early or leave a day after? Even just needing a single offline commute opportunity without the draconian dependability policy would help a lot.
• What stopped BJ from not having a dependability policy that encourages sick people coming to work? (remember it's not just COVID-19 that is concerning -- lots of people go to work with the Influenza virus and the 'common cold', which is also a virus) $$$
• What stopped them from stockpiling N95 masks and Clorox wipes throughout the year? It's not like pandemics are unprecedented... MERS, Influenza, and other medical conditions like Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA) were there prior to the Chinese Communist Coronavirus. $$$
• Let us not forget the report on aircraft potable water bacterial counts. $$$
• What stopped them from using copper metal surfaces on door handles, railings, and other common tread areas? (oh yeah, $$$ that was instead used on stock buybacks)
• Did JetBlue Tech Ventures spend $2,000 to study the effect of using ultraviolet wavelength light to help mitigate virus spread in between each flight? [even I knew about that one]
• What stopped them from envisioning and even designing aircraft cabins that provide positive pressure airflow that immediately evacuate breathing air overboard? There's no reason why aerosolized contagions couldn't be mitigated by AC systems that are designed for respiratory health. $$$
• https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/113597...arket-lingers/ Nice video showing how easily viruses spread. There was once a visualization of how a virus or bacteria can infest an entire aircraft within a minute just from breathing.
• If they try to claim they didn't have time or money resources, remember they spent lots of both on worthless social justice causes like fake diversity instead of focusing only on accomplishments.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Johanna and her cronies who didn't do their due diligence in preventing these known adversaries from causing such long lasting harm to our personnel. Just like Trump is calling out the WHO for their failures, pilots at all airlines must do the same for airline management and public servants. You pay a fortune to ALPA - they need to have lawsuits ready to go.

Management gets paid a fortune to think of these things. Do not be fooled by their virtue signaling of giving up their salaries temporarily. After C-19 runs its course, the same exploitation agenda will come back with a vengeance to make them more $$$ and to fund their golden parachutes.

Sorry, but as an off & on commuter over the years, the crashpad situation will not be getting us much sympathy. Let’s be honest, commuting is a choice and so is getting a hotel in domicile or utilizing a crashpad. Just calling it like the public is gonna view it.

This is likely the case, however one could also make the argument that the cost of living prohibits junior-ish F.O.s from residing in high cost areas. JR bases are NY & BOS.

public won’t care.

Apathy is not a strategy.

You meant to say prohibits junior-ish FOs from living in their dream homes in high cost areas.

So people are moving from low cost areas to take jobs that pay less than market rate in high cost areas? Nah bro.

Whatevs. This thread is derailed. I'm out.

Thoughts and prayers.

I’d give up some Scope in the CBA... in exchange for copper railings and elevator buttons in JFK Ops.

Wait, I thought we were no longer allowed to say thoughts and prayers anymore.....media said it was just too patronizing?

Can you define "Pretty senior"? Because I saw it going down to 1st or 2nd year pilots. That's pretty junior IMO.

not in April in my seat. It didn’t get past the top 50 people. And or they didn’t fill as many as they put out.

Went in the top 30% or so in my base/equipment/seat. Whereas May went to the bottom guy. There was a small fraction of the number awarded in my B/E/S for April compared to May.

In April it went very senior, but I bid for and was awarded a VIL during this last round. It ended up going all the way to the junior guys.

yes..... Very different then what highflifht was talking about. He said April went junior

fll 320 - 6/19
bos 320 - 2013
bos 190 - 1/19
jfk 320 - 9/14
jfk 190 - 7/18
lgb 320 - 6/16
mco 190 - 2/18
mco 320 - 10/16

First, DOH is irrelevant here. Use percentages in B/E/S then repost where April VILs went on a percentage basis. Then do the same for May and compare. Second, you’re only using FO numbers. About half of us aren’t FOs. So throw in the CA percentages (and DOH if you want to keep that trend up) as well so you can paint the whole picture.

Condolences for your loss.. both the Pilot and FA('s).
This Virus is a *****. I know it personally.
Does anyone know if they had some sort of underlying condition? Maybe something that they didn't know about?

Spent a week in the hospital with it and luckily I didn't have to be incubated. Home now and getting better every day.
Buddy of mine who is a Delta pilot AND with the NYANG has been in the hospital longer than me, and has been on an incubator for the past 5 days!
He's younger and I'd say was healthier than me!
This thing is nuts.

Stay Safe, Stay Healthy & Stay Strong
WE WILL OVERCOME THIS! Better Days are Ahead
Always
Motch

Glad to hear you are recovering, congrats on that. Hopefully your Delta buddy follows suit quickly!

So DOH has nothing to do with seniority? That is an interesting concept.
If you wish to parse the data by BES, then feel free to share your results so we can all see them.