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Originally Posted by OVC010CB
(Post 3036933)
People that are conducting business in public, traveling, partying, going to school, playing at a playground or going to the beach are not violating my rights.
Secondly, to the folks considering only deaths -- you are not believing in science, you are frightened with tunnel vision. The poor and working class are the ones that feel most of the burden with the voluntary economic collapse, it is immoral to shift the burden from the chronically ill and elderly infirm to the poor and working class. There is immense harm caused by the government response to COVID-19, just as gatherings and business as usual also cause harm. It's debatable whether a lot of this nonsense is even constitutionally legal. https://i.imgur.com/wG5nxyM.png None of this changes the fact that the only way to end the pandemic is herd immunity through infection. Until there is a vaccine or treatment available, herd immunity through infection is the only possibility. There are been multiple pandemics in the last 20 years, to date there has been no established vaccine for any of them. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3036949)
But they are. They're prolonging this pandemic by continuing to be exposure risks.
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Originally Posted by ELAC321
(Post 3036955)
I don't necessarily disagree with much in your post. But technically by flattening the curve we are purposely prolonging the pandemic. If we just let the thing run wild it would be over far quicker(although with far higher fatality)
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Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3036958)
The models show that it's not a 1 for 1 trade off. Mitigation strategies do lessen the total number infected. But this half-ass lockdown might be push the number and duration up.
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Originally Posted by ELAC321
(Post 3036960)
Dr Faucci has made multiple statements that we are trying to increase the length. And that if we let it run wild it would be over quicker. This spreads out the cases and allows hospitals to not be over run. It isn't complicated.
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Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3036966)
I get that. But introducing more exposure opportunity in the middle of a lockdown will make it go EVEN LONGER. A second or even a third wave.
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It's just the flu!
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3036949)
But they are. They're prolonging this pandemic by continuing to be exposure risks. The only way that any of this is going to work is if we unify and isolate. The virus would burn itself out to a point where testing and tracking could mitigate against a second outbreak. Now that strategy is very much doubtful.
We can talk about moral arguments about the working poor in the United States and how our system is so unequal that some are forced to endanger their own lives to survive in America. But all the things you're worried about could be solved through stimulus and other safety nets. People shouldn't have to die so that the economy can survive. Hey that sounds familiar, where have I heard that before. Oh this guy.. https://i.imgur.com/wG5nxyM.png It sounds like you're going to get your wish. Lockdowns are lifting in the next month and most of the preventative measures are not in place. So as Trump said, we'll let it "wash over" the country. And we'll see how it goes. My personal prediction is that it will be catastrophic. Even with the "improved" antibody studies. Wait wait wait. Your under the impression that people are prolonging the pandemic by conducting business? Are you also under the impression that the stay at home orders were to make the virus go away? You do know that was never the plan right? The plan was to allow time for the medical industry to prepare. The ability to contain the virus was gone the day it left the lab or market whichever you believe. There is no containment plan. I thought only the Karen’s on Facebook thought the virus was going away. Everyone is going to eventually get the virus. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
(Post 3036422)
that’s why the hospitals are overrun. People with underlying health issues and especially those that have significantly exceeded the average life expectancy may die of this or something else but it will be reported as Covid. The same number games get used when an 85 year old man with heart disease dies from a heart attack while using a chainsaw after a hurricane but it is attributed to “death by hurricane.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by User5004
(Post 3037055)
Hospitals are not overrun. My brother is a hospital executive for a multi location hospital in a very large city and my wife is a nurse and they both can attest that the hospitals are near empty with extremely low occupancy. From a managers planning point of view I was told “this was way overblown”. The nurses are sitting all day with very little work to do. There is no shortage on ventilators.
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Originally Posted by User5004
(Post 3037055)
Hospitals are not overrun. My brother is a hospital executive for a multi location hospital in a very large city and my wife is a nurse and they both can attest that the hospitals are near empty with extremely low occupancy. From a managers planning point of view I was told “this was way overblown”. The nurses are sitting all day with very little work to do. There is no shortage on ventilators.
People with underlying health issues and especially those that have significantly exceeded the average life expectancy may die of this or something else but it will be reported as Covid. The same number games get used when an 85 year old man with heart disease dies from a heart attack while using a chainsaw after a hurricane but it is attributed to “death by hurricane.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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