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User5004 04-20-2020 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by leeaf7 (Post 3037074)
Where is the hospital your brother is supposedly running? Montana or New York? Which department is your wife working for? ICU or pediatrics? Way to come up with an informed conclusion based on your brother and wife.


Thanks for your question.... I didn’t say he “runs a hospital” but he is in a state with moderate infections and my brother speaks with those in other states daily including colleagues specifically in the early hotspot of Seattle. We are in a different large city hours away. Funny thing is that you don’t have to be an ICU nurse to know what’s going on in the in ICU. My wife worked nights in the ED for years and fortunately for me she now doesn’t. Can you even imagine how big there network of people and knowledge is after 20 years each in medicine? I imagine you know a lot of people at other airlines right? And they all talk.

I feel very comfortable developing an informed decision based on the first hand information of those I know and respect. I read the actual data without the spin and editorial opinion and it agrees. Do you feel comfortable basing your opinion on the news media (pick any of them) who can’t even get the facts straight on any simple situation you have been involved in first hand? Just listen to their “aviation experts” and aviation reports in the simplest subject and all confidence is lost on their ability to factually describe most things and the responsibility is to become an informed and skeptical listener.

Not sure why I am even responding. Nothing good ever comes from a message board.


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ELAC321 04-20-2020 08:14 PM

Unfortunately most pilots don't understand what anecdotal evidence means

Avroman 04-20-2020 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by michael525Bdo (Post 3036382)
I’m not saying this is not serious. I’m saying the government incentivized hospitals.

And with that you just showed why for profit medicine is the dumbest way to provide basic health care....

WutFace 04-20-2020 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by ELAC321 (Post 3037093)
Unfortunately most pilots don't understand what anecdotal evidence means

"My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious."

Avroman 04-20-2020 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by User5004 (Post 3037055)
Hospitals are not overrun. My brother is a hospital executive for a multi location hospital in a very large city and my wife is a nurse and they both can attest that the hospitals are near empty with extremely low occupancy. From a managers planning point of view I was told “this was way overblown”. The nurses are sitting all day with very little work to do. There is no shortage on ventilators.

People with underlying health issues and especially those that have significantly exceeded the average life expectancy may die of this or something else but it will be reported as Covid. The same number games get used when an 85 year old man with heart disease dies from a heart attack while using a chainsaw after a hurricane but it is attributed to “death by hurricane.”



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If your wife is so damn bored, come to Detroit. We have plenty of open seats on flights and full hospitals for her to be "entertained" with.

Excargodog 04-20-2020 09:15 PM

It is increasingly looking like this was
 
Over hyped.

https://twitter.com/lapublichealth/s...077487107?s=12

If the antibody testing we’ve seen at Stanford, in LA, and in Boston is typical of the nation as a whole, the actual case-fatality rate is WAY LESS than initially predicted and the spread is already far greater than we initially believed. We may have done far more damage with overzealous shutdowns than the virus would have done - or will do - with the disease.

ultimately, case-fatality rates may well resemble just a bad flu year. In the meantime, 30% of small businesses are probably gone forever.

block30 04-20-2020 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard (Post 3037085)
This is such crap. When a human dies because they had heart disease and then got Covid, THEY DIED BECAUSE OF COVID! Why is this so hard to understand? Their life prematurely ended because covid came along and mingled in a nice cocktail of (insert underlying condition). They would still be alive right now. It’s that simple. They may have died tomorrow because of crappy life choices, but that’s not what happened. My father was in Vietnam, his lungs are ****ed, should he just take it in the shorts for the economy? Can we not give these people a little time? Why is this so hard to comprehend?


My mom died in February at age 61 from complications related to lung cancer. She smoked hard all her life and basically took no care of her health. Even if she got COVID to pin her death on COVID would completely ludacris. She was dying anyways, and much as it pains me to say, she basically did it to herself. To give her some more time, while nice for her, myself, and family yeah that would be nice. You know what else would be nice? Having a society to bring up her grandson (my son) for the REST of his life in a world not completely distorted from what we lived in up til ,oh, about February. But I'm really greedy and have no skin the in the game.

block30 04-20-2020 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 3037138)
Apparently there is a possibility that this particular assay may detect other antigens from other non-COVID19 coronaviruses and give a false positive.

So hold off on the high-fives, idiots. This needs to be peer reviewed and confirmed.

The way the reports keep rolling in and rolling in about the interesting manner in which deaths are recorded, that the survival rates are very high while the number of infected may be even higher than forecast (resulting in yet lower death rates still)....yeah, I'd be careful about loosely dropping "idiots" on people who disagree with you. But ya know, suit yourself.

block30 04-20-2020 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3033892)
And PBS by the Koch Brothers. Funded does not mean owned. Otherwise the PBS Newshour would be a libertarian, fossil-fueled circle jerk.

Thanks you for pointing that out....I actually mean that.

Excargodog 04-20-2020 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 3037138)
Apparently there is a possibility that this particular assay may detect antigens from other non-COVID19 coronaviruses and give a false positive.

So hold off on the high-fives, idiots. This needs to be peer reviewed and confirmed.

idiots? That would be idiots at Stanford school of Medicine, USC School of Medicine, New York City Health Department, and Johns Hopkins who are the ‘idiots’ promoting this. And it is consistent with what is being seen in other countries.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coro...ted-cases.html

https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...-high-nyc.html


https://www.michigansthumb.com/news/...e-15208216.php

and as far as ‘idiots’ go, we know the current Coronavirus RNA assays for current infection have pi$$-poor predictive value positive AND negative. Given that the initial models were calling for 20 million dead in the US, it would appear the poorly informed alarmists were on the other side of this issue.


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