Actually, no. 110,000 people didn't die FROM Covid 19. 110,000 people died WITH Covid 19. BIG difference. But that fact doesn't fit the narrative.

Poppy, bad news. Its acutally more than that now! Keep getting the word out its a great contribution to the discussion, insightful and quite hard for the average layman to extract from all the complex data.

Actually, you're not a member of the John Hopkins University team tracking the COVID-19 pandemic. But it's cute how you think you're better informed than the John Hopkins people.

Popcopy,

Put your case forward, Ill listen. I get it, lots of people have died which is inarguably tragic. But why is it your main focus?

You have the mic.

A young adult in Michigan took his own life. Turns out his brother had Covid 19 so they tested the victim during autopsy. Positive for Covid 19. Cause of death on the DC: Covid 19. He died WITH it. Not OF it. That is but one example of thousands of fatalities chalked up to the virus when the decedant's true cause of death was an imminent, pre-existing condition.

Oh ok you heard of one case and it’s like that for everyone. Please take this seriously. The spikes have already began, some states are one or two bad week away from shutting things down again as they’re running out of beds and equipment for the hospitals. Also there’s concern that the hospitals are running out of the virus therapy drugs and are forced to only give it out to half the patients as they wait for new supplies. This can all end if people take this seriously. Hard to believe it’s June and we’re still talking about taking it seriously.

https://www.dailycelebuk.com/News/Co...by-August.html

After seeing the protests, rioting, looting, and arson across the country, it's clear people don't care to take this seriously. Wait til those people go back home and spread the 'rona to their parents and grandparents, especially in the black community which is already very hard hit by the virus (worse than other demographics).

Good luck all!

Oh, is this serious? Well, I hadn't heard that.

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OH MY GOD! It’s ARMAGEDDON! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

I take this just as seriously as I do the seasonal flu. Common sense prevention tips. Isolate the vulnerable. Treat the sick. Mourn the dead. And live your life.

The idea the american public will sit still for a second lockdown went out the window the minute the riots started in Minneapolis. On a macro level, the numbers are actually falling, herd immunity is growing, and this huge, second wave you speak of is nary a ripple.

Get over the fear. Life is a contact sport and nobody leaves the stadium alive.

Just to put numbers to this using the most basic equation:


people with the virus * avg number infected by each person ^ (cycle of infections)


Assuming 1.5M have the virus, if, on average, 2 people only spread the virus to 1 person (R0=0.5), and a cycle of infection takes 2 weeks, the virus will be gone in 3 months


Right now the R0 in parts of New England was 0.7, meaning the virus should be gone in 4-5 months.


If the R0 becomes 1, the virus doesn't go away until herd immunity, either from the entire population getting and surviving the virus or a vaccine. With 330 million people that would take roughly 4 years without a vaccine.


If the CDC numbers are right, then the R0 with no mitigation is 3.8-8.9:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

And everyone would get the virus within the next month. Again, that's with no mitigation, no distancing, no masks, no additional hand washing, no awareness, everybody talking to everybody and breathing down their necks for hours at a time.


Once again, really back-of-the-napkin, caveman math that overlooks tons of crucial variables, but I think it underscores how important it is to not spread the virus, which starts with the individual. I still think that the vast majority of us don't have any firsthand, or even second hand experience, with this virus and if we keep the R0 around 0.7 then we likely never would, but because so many people are taking an attitude that ranges from "complacent" to "I'm so confident it's a conspiracy by ::insert any political opponent:: that I'm gonna do whatever I want to stick it to the man," plus massive protests that couldn't have come at a worse time, I won't be surprised if we get a spike in a couple weeks that sets us way back and, in no way, will help air travel recover.


Also, talking with the fiance (epidemiologist) she told me that asymptomatic people are definitely contagious, but because they don't cough or sneeze as much, they spread the virus around less. Really common sense, so I'm not sure why the WHO didn't just say that. But it seems like they've done and said a lot of things flippantly over the course of this.