Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3338978)
Summary of vaccine efficacy against omicron...
AZ has zero efficacy, similar for J&J and several foriegn vaccines. Moderna & pfizer fare better, still 70% against severe disease. Yes, odds of severe omicron appear low but within that you can still observe if vaccines make it lower... that's actually important because omicron appears so contagious it still might overwhelm critical care capacity if everybody got it all at one. https://www.newsnationnow.com/mornin...icron-variant/ WSJ also reporting that Moderna with booster looks very good against omicron in lab analyses. The AZ and J&J viral vector adjuvant, targets cellular responses to the spike, which are worthless with coronaviruses. I posted about all of this over a year ago. |
Moderna developing omicron-specific booster, targeted availability fall 2022...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...as-covid-cases |
What happened to the vaccines they were developing for Delta? Does it really make sense to always be 6 months behind the game? These companies have to know their product is going to be useless before it comes to market right? Besides, who is going to get vaccinated for this version of the virus when it very well could have less side effects than the vaccine?
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3350397)
What happened to the vaccines they were developing for Delta? Does it really make sense to always be 6 months behind the game? These companies have to know their product is going to be useless before it comes to market right? Besides, who is going to get vaccinated for this version of the virus when it very well could have less side effects than the vaccine?
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3350397)
What happened to the vaccines they were developing for Delta? Does it really make sense to always be 6 months behind the game? These companies have to know their product is going to be useless before it comes to market right?
My total SWAG... Omicron will tend to marginalize other variants since there is certainly significant cross-reactivity from natural immunity. Future significant mutations are likely to evolve from the omicron tree, so an omicron-specific vaccine could have long-term utility. Even if it needs to be tweaked occasionally like the flu shot.
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3350397)
Besides, who is going to get vaccinated for this version of the virus when it very well could have less side effects than the vaccine?
Also we have no idea what hypothetical omicron vaccine adverse/side effects would be at this point... there is enough demand to drive a LOT of R&D for covid vaccines so improvements will be made. Current covid vaccines (US approved) have similar side effects and risks as other common vaccines such as flu. So no worse than what we have now, and possibly better with more R&D... they can identify the root cause of adverse events and tweak things to minimize those (already in progress). |
Repeat Booster Shots Spur Europe Warning...
News article. Message is, repeated vaccine boosters can weaken your immune system. Like many have said these boosters are probably the likely cause of a lot of the athletes heart "coincidences" as well. If you took the shots already I would be highly skeptical of taking another, your future career may depend on it.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corona...e-system-risks |
Originally Posted by Rescue101
(Post 3351303)
News article. Message is, repeated vaccine boosters can weaken your immune system. Like many have said these boosters are probably the likely cause of a lot of the athletes heart "coincidences" as well. If you took the shots already I would be highly skeptical of taking another, your future career may depend on it.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corona...e-system-risks |
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Here's some data from California.
https://i.postimg.cc/TYdsYCWb/covid-cases.jpg SGTF is Omicron, non SGTF is Delta Previous infection provides superior protection against Covid regardless of spike antibody levels. As I suspected since day 1, the vaccine is targeting the wrong protein. |
Pfizer starting trials for an omicron-specific version of their current vaccine. Still not known whether health authorities will consider it necessary, or will just stick with boosters of the existing vaccines since they still largely prevent severe outcomes...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-...d=hp_lead_pos2 |
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