Vaccine Development Summary
12-04-2020, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I never said my opinion was anything but an opinion. But unlike your MD I did once make pharma and have kept abreast of developments (in case I ever needed a job, but especially lately).
There are no absolute guarantees with biology, just you like you might keel over dead from a stroke later tonight. You might also have a reaction to any vaccine or other pharma.
But the technology and process for the covid vaccines are no better or worse than any other pharma (just much better funded), but every tin-foil hat with or without any relevant knowledge is coming out of the woodwork on this... like we don't have enough problems as it is, we have alleged medical "professionals" fueling anti-vax flames. The professional approach would be to let phase-4 play out, because we'll get plenty of data from all the first responders before any of us even have to make a decision. Medical professionals don't have much of an option, like soldiers they don't get to "opt out" just because their peacetime gig suddenly turned into a war. They need to take the vaccine and get back to work or they should have their licenses revoked... they are at very high risk for not only getting covid but also spreading it to potentially weakened patients in their care.
There are no absolute guarantees with biology, just you like you might keel over dead from a stroke later tonight. You might also have a reaction to any vaccine or other pharma.
But the technology and process for the covid vaccines are no better or worse than any other pharma (just much better funded), but every tin-foil hat with or without any relevant knowledge is coming out of the woodwork on this... like we don't have enough problems as it is, we have alleged medical "professionals" fueling anti-vax flames. The professional approach would be to let phase-4 play out, because we'll get plenty of data from all the first responders before any of us even have to make a decision. Medical professionals don't have much of an option, like soldiers they don't get to "opt out" just because their peacetime gig suddenly turned into a war. They need to take the vaccine and get back to work or they should have their licenses revoked... they are at very high risk for not only getting covid but also spreading it to potentially weakened patients in their care.
I have also just read where some of the virologist are concerned about 2 major things first not enough people will get the vaccine in the first 6 months and the existing vaccines will become outdated as the virus mutates. Secondly some worry that the vaccine will only provide protection for a limited time frame, resulting for the need for more inoculations. Regardless it will be a interesting year and I hope life can get back to normal.
12-04-2020, 04:27 PM
#542
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I never said my opinion was anything but an opinion. But unlike your MD I did once make pharma and have kept abreast of developments (in case I ever needed a job, but especially lately).
There are no absolute guarantees with biology, just you like you might keel over dead from a stroke later tonight. You might also have a reaction to any vaccine or other pharma.
But the technology and process for the covid vaccines are no better or worse than any other pharma (just much better funded), but every tin-foil hat with or without any relevant knowledge is coming out of the woodwork on this... like we don't have enough problems as it is, we have alleged medical "professionals" fueling anti-vax flames. The professional approach would be to let phase-4 play out, because we'll get plenty of data from all the first responders before any of us even have to make a decision. Medical professionals don't have much of an option, like soldiers they don't get to "opt out" just because their peacetime gig suddenly turned into a war. They need to take the vaccine and get back to work or they should have their licenses revoked... they are at very high risk for not only getting covid but also spreading it to potentially weakened patients in their care.
There are no absolute guarantees with biology, just you like you might keel over dead from a stroke later tonight. You might also have a reaction to any vaccine or other pharma.
But the technology and process for the covid vaccines are no better or worse than any other pharma (just much better funded), but every tin-foil hat with or without any relevant knowledge is coming out of the woodwork on this... like we don't have enough problems as it is, we have alleged medical "professionals" fueling anti-vax flames. The professional approach would be to let phase-4 play out, because we'll get plenty of data from all the first responders before any of us even have to make a decision. Medical professionals don't have much of an option, like soldiers they don't get to "opt out" just because their peacetime gig suddenly turned into a war. They need to take the vaccine and get back to work or they should have their licenses revoked... they are at very high risk for not only getting covid but also spreading it to potentially weakened patients in their care.
Speaking in Wilmington, Delaware, the US president-elect said it would not be necessary to make a coronavirus vaccine mandatory.
"I will do everything in my power as president to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters," he said.
The Pew Research Center says just 60% of Americans are currently prepared to take a coronavirus vaccine, up from 51% who said the same in September.
On Thursday Mr Biden told CNN he would be happy to take a vaccine in public to allay potential concerns about its safety. Three former presidents - Barack Obama, George W Bush and Bill Clinton - have said they are also prepared to be inoculated publicly.
Mr Biden has also reiterated his call for Americans to wear a mask for 100 days - a measure that he said combined with vaccine distribution would see deaths "drop off the edge".
"My hope is they will then be inclined to say it's worth the patriotic duty to go ahead and protect other people," Mr Biden said.
"I will do everything in my power as president to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters," he said.
The Pew Research Center says just 60% of Americans are currently prepared to take a coronavirus vaccine, up from 51% who said the same in September.
On Thursday Mr Biden told CNN he would be happy to take a vaccine in public to allay potential concerns about its safety. Three former presidents - Barack Obama, George W Bush and Bill Clinton - have said they are also prepared to be inoculated publicly.
Mr Biden has also reiterated his call for Americans to wear a mask for 100 days - a measure that he said combined with vaccine distribution would see deaths "drop off the edge".
"My hope is they will then be inclined to say it's worth the patriotic duty to go ahead and protect other people," Mr Biden said.
12-04-2020, 05:15 PM
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IMO once every person in this country has been given the opportunity to say yes or no to a vaccine there is zero reason to restrict anything domestically. It’s just that simple. Should happen by late April early May.
12-04-2020, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
IMO once every person in this country has been given the opportunity to say yes or no to a vaccine there is zero reason to restrict anything domestically. It’s just that simple.
Should happen by late April early May.
12-04-2020, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
But taking healthcare providers licenses away probably wouldn’t fly, particularly when they are already in short supply...
But healthcare providers already have mandatory vaccine requirements, this will just be one more on the list. But they are ultimately not forced to either, they can always get a different job.
12-05-2020, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The USG was never going to make any vaccine mandatory for citizens (maybe for inbound aliens).
But healthcare providers already have mandatory vaccine requirements, this will just be one more on the list. But they are ultimately not forced to either, they can always get a different job.
But healthcare providers already have mandatory vaccine requirements, this will just be one more on the list. But they are ultimately not forced to either, they can always get a different job.
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12-05-2020, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The USG was never going to make any vaccine mandatory for citizens (maybe for inbound aliens).
But healthcare providers already have mandatory vaccine requirements, this will just be one more on the list. But they are ultimately not forced to either, they can always get a different job.
But healthcare providers already have mandatory vaccine requirements, this will just be one more on the list. But they are ultimately not forced to either, they can always get a different job.
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12-05-2020, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tlove482
I'd be interested in knowing what the spiked proteins actually do. The vaccine makes your body produce them. What if someone with a compromised immune system doesn't produce antibodies to fight it off. Did we just create a new disease?
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12-05-2020, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tlove482
I'd be interested in knowing what the spiked proteins actually do. The vaccine makes your body produce them. What if someone with a compromised immune system doesn't produce antibodies to fight it off. Did we just create a new disease?
You're thinking of a live-attenuated vaccine (which is used for some flu shots). That's actually a weakened version of the original virus which gives your immune system a sparring partner so it learns how to fight before it faces Ivan Drago. They do NOT give live-attenuated vaccines to people with compromised immunity, for the reason you mentioned. I haven't heard of any live-attenuated vaccine development for covid.
12-05-2020, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
No. It's just a protein, it's not a virus or anything capable of re-producing itself. Your system is just given a coded RNA template to make the protein, which then floats around in your body until it wears out, gets flushed out, or finds a covid spike to attach to (which inactivates the covid). They are also pursuing therapies (not vaccines) which involving mfg the proteins and then injecting them into your body. When they wear out/flush out, your body doesn't know how to make more so this is more for treating active covid (and perhaps prophylactic if you got exposed).
You're thinking of a live-attenuated vaccine (which is used for some flu shots). That's actually a weakened version of the original virus which gives your immune system a sparring partner so it learns how to fight before it faces Ivan Drago. They do NOT give live-attenuated vaccines to people with compromised immunity, for the reason you mentioned. I haven't heard of any live-attenuated vaccine development for covid.
You're thinking of a live-attenuated vaccine (which is used for some flu shots). That's actually a weakened version of the original virus which gives your immune system a sparring partner so it learns how to fight before it faces Ivan Drago. They do NOT give live-attenuated vaccines to people with compromised immunity, for the reason you mentioned. I haven't heard of any live-attenuated vaccine development for covid.
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