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Old 10-01-2020, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 123494
I don’t take anyone who fancies themself an “avid cigar smoker” that seriously. And what’s with the foul language? Try to make a point without an f bomb for Heaven’s sake.
Its always so delicious to see people whine and complain about how airlines have destroyed the experience of flying and that they should go out of business. These people have no clue how affordable and accessible air travel is compared to many years ago. It genuinely makes them seem foolish.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:54 PM
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Payroll support was always a bad idea. Sure the airlines require immediate assistance and likely it will be forthcoming but keeping highly compensated employees around doing nothing just prolongs the agony of realistic Rightsizing the labour force. Walt Disney Company fires 28,000 employees from their parks and resorts. And, readjusts its executives' salaries to pre-pandemic levels. This is called action, and although it is painful it is the right decision to Rightsize the company to current market forces. Airlines will likely get more aid and support but it should be help in paying for non-utilised aircraft, and other additional costs that are occurring as they hemmorage cash not on keeping a wholly unrealistic labor force around. Even if this does pass, we will be having this same argument next March in 6 months time. It’s time to face reality and the airlines need to shape their fleets and labour to a realistic Free Economy demand.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:11 PM
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Actually, it was a good idea. It’s better short term than hundreds of thousands (directly and indirect ) people on the streets and on unemployment. It can not be limitless however.
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Old 10-01-2020, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EXPAT1
Payroll support was always a bad idea. Sure the airlines require immediate assistance and likely it will be forthcoming but keeping highly compensated employees around doing nothing just prolongs the agony of realistic Rightsizing the labour force. Walt Disney Company fires 28,000 employees from their parks and resorts. And, readjusts its executives' salaries to pre-pandemic levels. This is called action, and although it is painful it is the right decision to Rightsize the company to current market forces. Airlines will likely get more aid and support but it should be help in paying for non-utilised aircraft, and other additional costs that are occurring as they hemmorage cash not on keeping a wholly unrealistic labor force around. Even if this does pass, we will be having this same argument next March in 6 months time. It’s time to face reality and the airlines need to shape their fleets and labour to a realistic Free Economy demand.
The only "highly compensated" employees are pilots and they are only a fraction of the actual furlough numbers. The vast majority of furloughed airline employees are AT BEST modest earners and I'm sure a very very high percentage of them are living paycheck to paycheck.

So we could either pay them unemployment or we could just pay their wages at their job, helping the airlines and keeping their employees around if a turn around begins. Quite possibly cost neutral to the govt.

I know it hurts to think about but it's not always just about pilots.
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Old 10-01-2020, 10:15 PM
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The only "highly compensated" employees are pilots and they are only a fraction of the actual furlough numbers. The vast majority of furloughed airline employees are AT BEST modest earners and I'm sure a very very high percentage of them are living paycheck to paycheck.

So we could either pay them unemployment or we could just pay their wages at their job, helping the airlines and keeping their employees around if a turn around begins. Quite possibly cost neutral to the govt.

I know it hurts to think about but it's not always just about pilots.
. The pilots make up a large percentage of those expenditures but also mechanics, dispatchers, and other staff cost far more than unemployment. Besides unemployment is paid for by the states, the employers and only a part of that comes from Federal taxes. Many highly compensated employees like Nurses, Lawyers and Accountants are collecting unemployment whom never got a HUGE giveaway like the Airline employees received for the past 6 months. Time to right size in order to meet free market demand. The longer these payroll support plans continue it is only hurting the economic recovery of the airlines.
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:01 AM
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Look who’s back! Our favorite forum troll.
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:08 AM
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Look who’s back! Our favorite forum troll.
. Funny how the truth hurts. Getting paid to do nothing has felt good for you the past 6 months. Unfortunately it looks like your free gravy train party has come to an end.
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Originally Posted by EXPAT1
. Funny how the truth hurts. Getting paid to do nothing has felt good for you the past 6 months. Unfortunately it looks like your free gravy train party has come to an end.
LOL - if you were a better troll, or maybe put at least an ounce of effort into making an intelligent post, maybe I’d give you a real response. But so far you haven’t said anything that couldn’t be produced by a crappy 5 minute perl script.

Hell, maybe it *is* a perl script. That bug that spits out a period at the beginning of each post is still there. Even its programmer sucks!
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LOL - if you were a better troll, or maybe put at least an ounce of effort into making an intelligent post, maybe I’d give you a real response. But so far you haven’t said anything that couldn’t be produced by a crappy 5 minute perl script.

Hell, maybe it *is* a perl script. That bug that spits out a period at the beginning of each post is still there. Even its programmer sucks!
LMAO. If you were a better Troll you could have trolled your way into another 6 months of freebies at taxpayers expense. Now you’ll have to settle on unemployment like the rest of America receives. Losers hate it when their free gravy train party comes to an end. LMFAO. You’re not even any good at Trolling.
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:45 AM
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Oooh...the script is angered!
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