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SonicFlyer 08-24-2020 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by ERJFO (Post 3115233)
The Supreme Court has ruled that a law that authorizes mandatory vaccination during an epidemic of a lethal disease is constitutional under the low constitutional test of “rationality review.”

Nowhere in the Constitution is this specifically allowed. The court just made it up apparently. Any ruling contrary to the Constitution is invalid on its face.

rickair7777 08-24-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3115209)
I still don't see a case for taking the Moderna, or Pfizer vaccine, when the AstraZeneca one exists.

This is based off simple common sense, I'm not invested in any of these companies.

There should be several options available within a reasonable time frame. As to which is best for you will be informed by availability in your country, as well as efficacy data from phase 3.

A Viral Vector vaccine (Astrazeneca) may seem potentially safer, but if you read the info in the other thread it's possible that type of vaccine might fail in a particular individual if he/she happens to have already acquired immunity to the vector virus, ie the immune system will destroy the vector before it can deliver it's payload. If I get that one, personally I'll follow up with a covid antibody test just to make sure it worked... that might actually be a required part of the process. They will try to select a vector which most people should have not been previously exposed to.

The DNA/RNA vaccines have not been used extensively in people yet (other than trials), but they have been tested in animals (not just for covid). The trails so far look safe, obviously more to follow. The technology shows promise and has some potential big advantages but time will tell. Don't get caught on the "genetics" aspect, it's not changing YOUR genetic material... it's not messing with your operating system, more like installing a temporary app. We'll see soon enough.

galaxy flyer 08-24-2020 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3115286)
Nowhere in the Constitution is this specifically allowed. The court just made it up apparently. Any ruling contrary to the Constitution is invalid on its face.

Delusional means never saying you’re sorry, but......it took about 20 seconds to find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Mesabah 08-24-2020 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3115289)
There should be several options available within a reasonable time frame. As to which is best for you will be informed by availability in your country, as well as efficacy data from phase 3.

A Viral Vector vaccine (Astrazeneca) may seem potentially safer, but if you read the info in the other thread it's possible that type of vaccine might fail in a particular individual if he/she happens to have already acquired immunity to the vector virus, ie the immune system will destroy the vector before it can deliver it's payload. If I get that one, personally I'll follow up with a covid antibody test just to make sure it worked... that might actually be a required part of the process. They will try to select a vector which most people should have not been previously exposed to.

The DNA/RNA vaccines have not been used extensively in people yet (other than trials), but they have been tested in animals (not just for covid). The trails so far look safe, obviously more to follow. The technology shows promise and has some potential big advantages but time will tell. Don't get caught on the "genetics" aspect, it's not changing YOUR genetic material... it's not messing with your operating system, more like installing a temporary app. We'll see soon enough.

That's correct, I don't want the antibody response. I don't think the mRNA vaccine is unsafe, it will be good for the flu, and Norovirus down the road, however, it's the next coronavirus that poses the possible danger.

SonicFlyer 08-24-2020 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3115298)
Delusional means never saying you’re sorry, but......it took about 20 seconds to find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

https://youtu.be/iBggOert9_Y?t=17

galaxy flyer 08-24-2020 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3115355)

That’s what ya got in answer to the Supreme Court decisionon the states’ police power, which is pretty settled law here. Try again. I’m Libertarian Conservative, just not delusional. There’s a difference.

Shiner 08-24-2020 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3115286)
Nowhere in the Constitution is this specifically allowed. The court just made it up apparently. Any ruling contrary to the Constitution is invalid on its face.[/color]


No sh!t, Sherlock. The Constitution was written a few decades before the first vaccine was invented.


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galaxy flyer 08-25-2020 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 3115591)
No sh!t, Sherlock. The Constitution was written a few decades before the first vaccine was invented.


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Actually, not true, small pox vaccine (immunization?) were started in Boston in 1721. And probably in use before that in the native population based on scars at the time. Washington required them during the Revolution for troops. Both prior to 1787. There’s a book on it.

Downtime 08-25-2020 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3115000)
Worry? No. COVID-19 doesn’t worry them. But seriously, you think the colleges are in the drivers seat? Think again. They are the sellers, not the buyers, and even the arrogant old tenured profs are starting to figure that out.

https://i.ibb.co/51BDSfd/1-B801-F94-...C401-B8-B2.jpg

https://thecollegepost.com/us-colleges-perish-covid/

The business offices damn sure are:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...iness-officers

And at least half of the undergrads can get pretty much all their freshmen classes and a majority of their distribution requirements online.

So this is true of the low mid tier and lower tier schools sure. Most of the universities I was talking about are not sellers they are buyers. You know this because there is always a waiting list and out a good sized out right rejection list. Take UNC one of the ones that just shut down again. If they make it a requirement people will gladly take it. Same with UGA the school is hard to get into and kids want to go there. No 18 year old is gonna go no I am going to go to the University of Phoenix over UGA. Living in GA I can absolutely see the USG requiring for all state schools and Emory either leading or following shortly before or after.

rickair7777 08-25-2020 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3115738)
So this is true of the low mid tier and lower tier schools sure. Most of the universities I was talking about are not sellers they are buyers. You know this because there is always a waiting list and out a good sized out right rejection list. Take UNC one of the ones that just shut down again. If they make it a requirement people will gladly take it. Same with UGA the school is hard to get into and kids want to go there. No 18 year old is gonna go no I am going to go to the University of Phoenix over UGA. Living in GA I can absolutely see the USG requiring for all state schools and Emory either leading or following shortly before or after.

Yes, this.

The better colleges (pretty much any that are not automatic admission for all comers) trade on their reputation, which is derived from their alumni's accomplishments, which is enabled in large part by networking. Again we get back to the importance of interpersonal relationships.

Attending classes, parties, frats, and spring break with the future CEO of a fortune 500 company is one thing. Having been on a zoom call with him decades ago is not the same.

Also I don't know but I assume kids still like to have actual sex? They don't have an app for that on their iphone?


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