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CincoDeMayo 10-25-2020 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3149673)
And yet we’re getting a 3% revenue premium and are carrying more business passengers as a percentage of our overall numbers and a higher percentage of business travelers compared to the rest of the industry than ever before.

I guess those business travelers are not included in your “smart enough” category.

Those business travelers are booking with the corporate credit card, so with everything being equal, sure they will fly Delta if the middle seat is open. Meanwhile a 3% premium while 33% of the seats are blocked from
sale, though the holidays, with holiday travel around the corner? Did I miss the cancelation of Deltas furloughs on Nov 1, serious question? Because Delta doing a victory lap that the airline is keeping middle seats open for a few more months, while thousands are are about to be furloughed...

If Delta feels the open middle seat is their best business strategy to maintain business loyalty with their travelers, that’s all well and good. But to act like it’s not a marketing strategy, that’s silly. Delta tweeting about the Haunted Houses of other airlines is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel safe on Delta

wrxpilot 10-25-2020 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 3149529)
I follow the numbers on Worldometers and watch for trends. I read papers from all over the world while traveling.

Most European countries and the US have very high voluntary mask compliance and/or fine-based coercion and yet are seeing rapidly climbing case numbers. Sweden has single digit voluntary mask compliance and no mandate and has not seen a major climb in positive cases until very recently.

Every medical professional I know (and they are numerous) tell me that masks, and especially cloth “face coverings” like bandanas are absolutely ineffective at controlling a virus. They are moderately effective in controlling bacteria and particulates.

In other words, I use my own eyes, ears, and intellect to formulate a conclusion. I don’t use the agenda-driven scare tactics of the media, including the sources you cite, to make my conclusions for me.

No, you and a few other conspiracy theory posters on here make up your own numbers, use anecdotal stories, and refuse to post legitimate sources of your claims due to supposed fake news/government/medical institutions. Basically anything you guys disagree with is dismissed as fake or some crazy conspiracy.

The frustrating part for me is I very much want the US to get past this BS. I know it’s possible, as I live in a city of 8 million people that has single digit COVID cases because people here aren’t claiming a bunch of crazy BS all the time.

I have zero understanding of why people like you are choosing this as the hill to die on, with absolutely nothing legitimate to back it up.

CincoDeMayo 10-25-2020 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 3149758)
No, you and a few other conspiracy theory posters on here make up your own numbers, use anecdotal stories, and refuse to post legitimate sources of your claims due to supposed fake news/government/medical institutions. Basically anything you guys disagree with is dismissed as fake or some crazy conspiracy.

The frustrating part for me is I very much want the US to get past this BS. I know it’s possible, as I live in a city of 8 million people that has single digit COVID cases because people here aren’t claiming a bunch of crazy BS all the time.

I have zero understanding of why people like you are choosing this as the hill to die on, with absolutely nothing legitimate to back it up.

Well said.

Excargodog 10-25-2020 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3149745)

If Delta feels the open middle seat is their best business strategy to maintain business loyalty with their travelers, that’s all well and good. But to act like it’s not a marketing strategy, that’s silly. Delta tweeting about the Haunted Houses of other airlines is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel safe on Delta

Not well and good, because it is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel UNSAFE on other carriers and a denial of the validity of the DARPA testing that was recently released. By both promulgating a non sustainable model (because Delta isn’t going to survive on 66% load levels and flogging unwarranted fears, Delta is hurting the whole industry.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/how-...itary-research

Gone Flying 10-25-2020 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3149772)
Not well and good, because it is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel UNSAFE on other carriers and a denial of the validity of the DARPA testing that was recently released. By both promulgating a non sustainable model (because Delta isn’t going to survive on 66% load levels and flogging unwarranted fears, Delta is hurting the whole industry.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/how-...itary-research

its their decision if they want to continue to block middle seats, if that is what they feel will generate a revenue premium and attract HVCs that is exactly what they will do. if companies and business travelers want this and DL will get long term corporate contracts because of this, DL will block middle seats til the pandemic is over

Mesabah 10-25-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3149520)
*with proper face mask usage

The risk is the same with or without masks actually, since there haven't been any cases.

velosnow 10-25-2020 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3149803)
The risk is the same with or without masks actually, since there haven't been any cases.

Not correct, there were two cases of suspected transmission prior to masks being worn on planes early on. Since then, no cases have been shown to have occurred since mask usage was widely adopted. And the defense dept's recent study concluded masks are an integral part of it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/risk...ry?id=73616599

Excargodog 10-25-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3149773)
its their decision if they want to continue to block middle seats, if that is what they feel will generate a revenue premium and attract HVCs that is exactly what they will do. if companies and business travelers want this and DL will get long term corporate contracts because of this, DL will block middle seats til the pandemic is over

No one said it wasn’t their decision, only that it wasn’t one that was good for the industry as a whole.Especially when they denigrate other airlines for not doing it.

Mesabah 10-25-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3149811)
Not correct, there were two cases of suspected transmission prior to masks being worn on planes early on. Since then, no cases have been shown to have occurred since mask usage was widely adopted. And the defense dept's recent study concluded masks are an integral part of it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/risk...ry?id=73616599

Four months of no mask usage produced 2 possible cases, and six months of mask usage produced no cases. Good thing the media scared all the passengers away.

Hedley 10-25-2020 09:00 AM

Mask or middle seats is not the real issue. The recent study shows how safe air travel is, but until domestic and international COVID restrictions are lifted, there isn’t really much of a need to travel. Even if we could provide a 100% guarantee that passengers would not contract COVID while traveling, why would they want to buy a ticket when the business/leisure attractions at their intended destination are closed or severely restricted? When the world opens back up, we’ll be ready to take people where they want to go. Until then, regardless of the safety of our product, there is very little demand for what we sell.


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