Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3158307)
Nah, that's not the case, and if there is gridlock, Pelosi becomes President. The strategy of Trump appears not to even definitively prove fraud, as his legal team has been forced to leave PA due to threats alone. If the left doesn't let this process play out, they could hand the election to him anyway, that's what it looks like he is counting on.
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Originally Posted by Av8rPHX
(Post 3158384)
Let’s talk the national poplar vote thing for a minute. Do we really want a system where the coasts decide our elections?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro In either case, the coasts won’t run the country, look at the census data or check this website to explore the issues. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/answering-myths |
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
(Post 3158476)
I want a system that works better than the current one. This system was bastardized when southern states decided to concentrate their power by sending only electors from the state winner (winner takes all). Then other states followed suit. Nebraska and Maine seem to be closer to original intent of the electoral college.
In either case, the coasts won’t run the country, look at the census data or check this website to explore the issues. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/answering-myths It is the United States of America, not the United People of America. If any of the states start to feel disenfranchised (and they will, surely) then why would they stay? |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3158482)
How do you propose to handle it when CA/NY and the rest get their way all the time (more popular vote) and TX decides to secede, facing the prospect of NEVER having a say in a national election?
It is the United States of America, not the United People of America. If any of the states start to feel disenfranchised (and they will, surely) then why would they stay? |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3158495)
why do you say that California will “get their way?” California isn’t a monolithic block of 30m blue voters. Every one of the (rather large group of) red voters in CA would see their vote actually count in a popular election.
Let's be honest, the government is a bunch of corporate puppets, doesn't matter who is in office. |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3158482)
How do you propose to handle it when CA/NY and the rest get their way all the time (more popular vote) and TX decides to secede, facing the prospect of NEVER having a say in a national election?
It is the United States of America, not the United People of America. If any of the states start to feel disenfranchised (and they will, surely) then why would they stay? Texas seceding is a new one, didn’t realize that was close. I don’t care to point out all the complexities that make secession difficult. |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3158482)
How do you propose to handle it when CA/NY and the rest get their way all the time (more popular vote) and TX decides to secede, facing the prospect of NEVER having a say in a national election?
It is the United States of America, not the United People of America. If any of the states start to feel disenfranchised (and they will, surely) then why would they stay? In any case, it seems your point is that a minority should get to decide against the wishes of the majority of the country. And you're right, we are the United States of America. But I would argue that the majority of citizens in the US identify as Americans first and citizens of their state second. |
Originally Posted by BRJPilot
(Post 3158471)
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. For a detailed explanation, watch the video which was made before the election. Spoiler alert: Without a concession, the states decide who wins, and each state gets ONE vote. Currently, there are 37 Red States. Oh, and Hilary Clinton advised Joe Biden not to concede under any circumstance before this election too!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...K4FJCynH-l87jk Where are 37 states red? 25 states went blue for the election, 24 have Dem Governors, the House is slightly more blue, and the Senate is slightly more red but that's up for grabs in GA in January. On top of that, Trump would need every state to vote down party lines for him, in an election where he lost both the popular vote and electoral college. |
Originally Posted by Duffman
(Post 3158528)
Where are 37 states red? 25 states went blue for the election, 24 have Dem Governors, the House is slightly more blue, and the Senate is slightly more red but that's up for grabs in GA in January. On top of that, Trump would need every state to vote down party lines for him, in an election where he lost both the popular vote and electoral college.
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3158495)
why do you say that California will “get their way?” California isn’t a monolithic block of 30m blue voters. Every one of the (rather large group of) red voters in CA would see their vote actually count in a popular election.
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