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rickair7777 12-01-2020 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3165303)
History will show lockdowns, and masks were the absolute wrong approach to this pandemic. The notion that Covid only spreads by respiratory droplets is devastatingly wrong.

I don't think it's devastatingly wrong. Covid does appear to spread more readily via airborne than most other common bugs.

That doesn't mean it DOESN'T spread by contact, I'm sure it does. But I think ever since March that's been negligible... it's really, really easy to avoid surface spread and even the most ardent covid deniers are probably second-nature about washing/sanitizing hands and watching what they touch.

Surface transmission isn't what caused the economic troubles.

Mesabah 12-01-2020 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3165308)
I don't think it's devastatingly wrong. Covid does appear to spread more readily via airborne than most other common bugs.

That doesn't mean it DOESN'T spread by contact, I'm sure it does. But I think ever since March that's been negligible... it's really, really easy to avoid surface spread and even the most ardent covid deniers are probably second-nature about washing/sanitizing hands and watching what they touch.

Surface transmission isn't what caused the economic troubles.

The CDC recommendation is based off Covid being transmitted only by droplets. That's where guidance on wearing masks comes from. However, Covid is a contact virus that can also be mechanically aerosol-ed, this is an absolute fact, as Covid has been successfully cultured out of the air recently.

BoldPilot 12-01-2020 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 3165296)
Name an illness that does not have long term health effects. Don't most?

Here's a fun game. Name another disease that we can "defeat" by all working together - heart disease? We could all work together to force people to exercise and close all the ice cream stores - should we do that too?

How is it a political issue if I want to see businesses survive, kids properly educated, and sensible decisions made by leaders not based on ridiculous statistics quoted with no context given ever?

Heart Disease isn’t contagious. This is a pandemic, the virus spreads from person to person. Nobody wants businesses to fail, but in the end human life should be more valuable than a business. Just like any natural disaster there’s going to be winners and losers. Those that adapt will survive. Your kids can still get educated through online courses. We’re lucky technology has advanced enough to make that possible. What angers me, is when political leaders call this a “hoax” or that “it’s just the flu” when the entire world is in this fight, but Americans seem to think their politics come first.

rickair7777 12-01-2020 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3165312)
The CDC recommendation is based off Covid being transmitted only by droplets. That's where guidance on wearing masks comes from.


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3165312)
However, Covid is a contact virus that can also be mechanically aerosol-ed, this is an absolute fact, as Covid has been successfully cultured out of the air recently.

Mechanically aerosoled how? The only plausible path is out of the nose or mouth, which masks should help with.

Not plausible that virus particles laying around on the ground are getting stirred up and causing any significant infection. Physics says otherwise, virus particles will be trapped in liquid which has surface tension... which is amazingly strong on the micro scale.

Flyfalcons 12-01-2020 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by BoldPilot (Post 3165316)
Heart Disease isn’t contagious. This is a pandemic, the virus spreads from person to person. Nobody wants businesses to fail, but in the end human life should be more valuable than a business. Just like any natural disaster there’s going to be winners and losers. Those that adapt will survive. Your kids can still get educated through online courses. We’re lucky technology has advanced enough to make that possible. What angers me, is when political leaders call this a “hoax” or that “it’s just the flu” when the entire world is in this fight, but Americans seem to think their politics come first.

At some point, which has long passed, the "cure" is worse than the disease. Tens of millions out of work and going into poverty is a bigger national tragedy than a disease that barely affects the working age population.

emersonbiguns 12-01-2020 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3165303)
The long term effects almost always are a result of poor treatment. We wait until a person is basically going to die before we treat Covid. I'm sure the flu would have a much higher death toll if doctors shunned patients like they do with covid.

You're full of ****.

Knobcrk1 12-01-2020 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3165303)
The long term effects almost always are a result of poor treatment. We wait until a person is basically going to die before we treat Covid. I'm sure the flu would have a much higher death toll if doctors shunned patients like they do with covid.

History will show lockdowns, and masks were the absolute wrong approach to this pandemic. The notion that Covid only spreads by respiratory droplets is devastatingly wrong.

Your misguided opinions on this is truly astounding. Unless you’re trolling on reserve.

Knobcrk1 12-01-2020 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 3165296)
Name an illness that does not have long term health effects. Don't most?

Here's a fun game. Name another disease that we can "defeat" by all working together - heart disease? We could all work together to force people to exercise and close all the ice cream stores - should we do that too?

How is it a political issue if I want to see businesses survive, kids properly educated, and sensible decisions made by leaders not based on ridiculous statistics quoted with no context given ever?

Heart diseases, car crashes and overall deaths that are part of being alive aren’t contagious. You have a choice to get in the car and have racks of ribs. One person can infect a whole population and kill many people that had no choice multiplying the issue. Yes people will suffer, it’s a pandemic.

Knobcrk1 12-01-2020 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Flyfalcons (Post 3165319)
At some point, which has long passed, the "cure" is worse than the disease. Tens of millions out of work and going into poverty is a bigger national tragedy than a disease that barely affects the working age population.

Average age at the hospitals is early 50s. Actually during the summer surge 30s and 40s started to show up too. How do you expect to determine who should and shouldn’t be protected? That’s going to be an impossible task. Either way don’t forget, the numbers are somewhat tolerable because most people have been doing the right things. Imagine what the numbers will be if you had it your way.

Mesabah 12-01-2020 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3165318)
Mechanically aerosoled how? The only plausible path is out of the nose or mouth, which masks should help with.

Not plausible that virus particles laying around on the ground are getting stirred up and causing any significant infection. Physics says otherwise, virus particles will be trapped in liquid which has surface tension... which is amazingly strong on the micro scale.

Aerosol behavior is completely dependent on particle size, an evaporation medium such as a cloth mask would provide sufficient means for the virus to suspend in the air for a significant amount of time. In a poorly ventilated room, aerosols will build up past the minimum infectious probability amount regardless of mask use.

Mask usage in the US is at a high enough rate, that if droplet transmission played the primary role in this pandemic, the virus would have a significantly lower R0 value.


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