Guess that makes you the Pope.

I agree with the first part - but there is really little "verifiably false misinformation" when it comes to this virus, especially in these early stages, but we have lots of information suppression going on "for the greater good" I guess? There are still lots of scientists and doctors that don't believe masks are much of a deterrent, and may even do more harm then good. There is lots of information from scientists about why PCR tests are not the "gold standard" for diagnosing an illness and were not designed to be used that way - Why is it so hard to find any of that reporting in media?

Drivel? What did I say that could qualify as drivel?

You think evidence-based science is drivel? That the whole history of science since the 17th century is drivel? Really? Okay then. Agree to disagree.

Not sure why I'm still engaging someone so clearly off their rocker, but why not.

Your other point:

The sad thing here is you are faulting Fauci for waiting for evidence that children are safe rather than taking a risk without evidence. A good scientist waits for significant evidence before committing to a hypothesis. When it comes to children, I think it's fair to want to see solid evidence before taking an unknown risk. I'd love to see a source for your "scientists" from "early on" predicting, without evidence, that children would be fine. Enlighten me?

People predicting the future without evidence are not called scientists. They are called prophets. Perhaps you should stick to debates on theology, because you're engaging in magical thinking.

Unlike you, I don't think scientists should draw conclusions and hope that reality meets them in the middle. Science is derived from evidence and data, not the other way around. You seem to be championing the idea that scientists should pick the idea they like the best and fit the evidence to it, rather than examining the evidence and then drawing conclusions. That is not science, that is religion.

I suppose me asking for evidence is more "drivel," right? You sound like the Pope sentencing Galileo to house arrest for the "drivel" of the heliocentric theory.

And ANOTHER one, LA this time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...is-a-non-story

Also heard the San Jose mayor violated his own guidance on turkey day.

What's your point? All this is is fuel for the non-compliant to continue being *ssholes.

I have a couple things to add:

1. This is bottom of barrel, even for Fox News. A LA County Supervisor? Really? That's who you got as a big gotcha? It really is a non-story. Next you'll be posting stories about the Fresno Parks & Rec Manager was caught sneaking groceries to her mother.

2. Outdoor dining was open at the time this woman went to dinner. The fact that the county reversed that days later doesn't automatically mean some nefarious plot. It was open. And then it was closed. No malice. Just the way it goes when COVID is on the rise.

So, again. What's your point? Validation that restrictions should be lifted and we should just have one big COVID party? Because that is one sure way to extend our vacations into next year. Or we can shut up, realize that people are human, and do the best we can.

I am faulting Fauchi for proclaiming anything until he knew. The scientists that did know were telling us that children were not at risk and were not spreading the virus.

The drivel I am referring to is:

Mass lockdowns that harm more people than they help.
You don't lock down a city when it is one block that has an outbreak. You target the problem and contract trace to contain the threat. You guys preach the Asian model but don't support their practices.

General mask mandates that are ineffective at best and dangerous at their worst because they put people into a false sense of security and cause them to congregate more readily when they really should be distancing and sanitizing their hands and common surfaces.

Closing schools causing irreparable harm to the social maturity and education of students with no statistical support for such a dangerous and harmful policy.

State governments forcing the most at risk populations into nursing care when all scientists were begging them to change the policy due to the dangers.

Local leaders telling their constituents to take measures they are not willing to follow themselves. It is always effective to lead by pushing a rope just ask any military leader how that works out.

We know you are sold and preaching to your own choir, just don't expect those of us who can think for ourselves and understand math to bend to your beliefs as if you are enlightened because you believe everything you are told by a media that is pushing an agenda because it pays well.

I believe the point is that govt officials are closing these types of things because they are “dangerous.” It didn’t matter if it was still open. These people deem it dangerous and then go do it anyway. Does it contribute to the spread of covid or not? Because of it does it doesn’t start contributing after places are closed it has been contributing the whole time.

How many more do you need? BTW it's not just fox, that's not where I get my news, the article was linked from another outlet.

My point is that government leaders are saying one thing but they clearly don't actually believe it's necessary for safety. That fuels the fire and frankly I'm starting to wonder what their motives are.

And another one. I suppose it's utterly irrelevant since it's not in the top ten cities ( #11) and nothing that happens in Texas is relevant anyway?

This one's from NPR, is that good enough? Or do we need to hear it from rachel maddow?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...o-for-vacation

How can any scientist know without evidence? You're faulting him for wanting to keep kids safe until the evidence became clear? Isn't it a conservative approach to not take risks with children until we have a better picture of the situation?

I'm sincerely trying to understand the point you're making, but I don't get it. Is there a source you can point me to?

When has anyone said anything like this? Contact tracing would've been great to have. I'm all for it.
It would've been super useful back in March while the President was still trying to pretend everything is normal.

The idea that masks promote riskier behavior through a false sense of security to the extent that they cause harm has been debunked time and time again by the evidence. Why do you keep returning to a point that has been refuted several times over? Complain about drivel but continue to spread it yourself? Later in your post, you mention an understanding of "math," but it seems like you really hate using data and evidence to inform your opinion.


It would've been nice if these local leaders had received any level of guidance from the federal government during this national crisis. It's almost like a national crisis requires national leadership, or bad things will happen. Cuomo did make a mistake here, but he also was on his own without any assistance.

It's weird how you choose to single out local leadership for blame and conveniently sidestep the overwhelming incompetence of the national government throughout this crisis. Gotta score those political points though, right?


Funny how you view yourself as an "independent thinker" when all you do is regurgitate the same talking points over and over, rarely based on evidence or data.

We know you are sold and preaching to your own choir, just don't expect those of us who are capable of critical thinking and identifying reputable news sources to bend to your beliefs because you believe everything you are told by a media that is pushing an agenda because it pays well.

Facts don't care about your feelings, and just because you believe everything that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity say doesn't make it true. Some of us choose to think for ourselves