Mask Mandate
01-21-2021, 04:26 PM
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I think the more practical application of this Federal mandate is that you will simply not be served, and may even be asked to leave the property.
If you refuse, you'll be trespassed, and then if you insist on being hard headed, you'll probably be exposed to the whole suite of options that law enforcement has at their disposal to deal with you. No doubt some will be more sympathetic and empathetic than others in how they approach the situation.
So if you end up being arrested, it won't be for not wearing a mask, but rather for trespassing. Subtle but very important distinction.
My $0.02.
If you refuse, you'll be trespassed, and then if you insist on being hard headed, you'll probably be exposed to the whole suite of options that law enforcement has at their disposal to deal with you. No doubt some will be more sympathetic and empathetic than others in how they approach the situation.
So if you end up being arrested, it won't be for not wearing a mask, but rather for trespassing. Subtle but very important distinction.
My $0.02.
01-21-2021, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
I think the more practical application of this Federal mandate is that you will simply not be served, and may even be asked to leave the property.
If you refuse, you'll be trespassed, and then if you insist on being hard headed, you'll probably be exposed to the whole suite of options that law enforcement has at their disposal to deal with you. No doubt some will be more sympathetic and empathetic than others in how they approach the situation.
So if you end up being arrested, it won't be for not wearing a mask, but rather for trespassing. Subtle but very important distinction.
My $0.02.
If you refuse, you'll be trespassed, and then if you insist on being hard headed, you'll probably be exposed to the whole suite of options that law enforcement has at their disposal to deal with you. No doubt some will be more sympathetic and empathetic than others in how they approach the situation.
So if you end up being arrested, it won't be for not wearing a mask, but rather for trespassing. Subtle but very important distinction.
My $0.02.
01-21-2021, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
this exec order/mandate only applies on federal lands and buildings... has no teeth but sure sounds good.
01-21-2021, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
this exec order/mandate only applies on federal lands and buildings... has no teeth but sure sounds good.
In all other locations (i.e Non-Federal), the current government has acknowledged that it has no powers to mandate, but nevertheless is asking us all to participate in the exercise for at least the next 100 days.
It's a battle for the hearts and minds, I guess.
01-21-2021, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
I wonder if young children are going to be exempt. Because in his executive order, it did say everyone.
I'm sure a simple policy memo related to the order can take care of anything that needs clarifying.
01-21-2021, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
Does this now include pilots behind doors during flight ops? What about on federal property out doors? Like the Lincoln memorial? Interstates? BLM millions of acres of sagebrush and dirt roads? Military members in barracks? During sleep hours? Where is this written?
01-22-2021, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohio
This is the big question. Does it effect the cockpit? I wear a mask but not once the door is closed, to fatiguing for a 6 hour flight. Are we exempt?
01-22-2021, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohio
This is the big question. Does it effect the cockpit? I wear a mask but not once the door is closed, to fatiguing for a 6 hour flight. Are we exempt?
Again, nothing a policy memo can't be used to clarify...
01-22-2021, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohio
This is the big question. Does it effect the cockpit? I wear a mask but not once the door is closed, to fatiguing for a 6 hour flight. Are we exempt?
01-22-2021, 05:26 AM
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HERE'S THE EO AS PUBLISHED for travel
Link to the EO on travel:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...tional-travel/
I would say national parks are covered here as well. Pretty broad when they say "federal property" I didn't know airports are federal property, I thought they were state/county/city?
Most airports in this country are publicly owned. For example TPA is publicly owned by the Hillsboro County Aviation Authority. It says nothing of being federal. I'm not sure what they are trying to do with this EO. Curious as to the 10th Amend applicability as well.
Seems more like "coercion play" than anything else. I don't see this as enforceable on airports that are publicly owned. Maybe a lawyer can answer that question.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...tional-travel/
I would say national parks are covered here as well. Pretty broad when they say "federal property" I didn't know airports are federal property, I thought they were state/county/city?
Most airports in this country are publicly owned. For example TPA is publicly owned by the Hillsboro County Aviation Authority. It says nothing of being federal. I'm not sure what they are trying to do with this EO. Curious as to the 10th Amend applicability as well.
Seems more like "coercion play" than anything else. I don't see this as enforceable on airports that are publicly owned. Maybe a lawyer can answer that question.
Last edited by Phins2right; 01-22-2021 at 05:45 AM.
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