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400000Dead 04-20-2021 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Flyfalcons (Post 3224452)
So are you staying out of restaurants like Fauci is, or says he is?

The fact that you guys care so much about the dining habits of an 80 year old government employee is a little weird.

Even if he did go out to eat, I bet it was an early bird special.

Flyfalcons 04-21-2021 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3224559)
The fact that you guys care so much about the dining habits of an 80 year old government employee is a little weird.

Even if he did go out to eat, I bet it was an early bird special.

So you disregard his actions and reasoning for not dining out even though he's fully vaccinated? Why would you do something that an expert in the epidemiology is refusing to? Are you denying science?

Excargodog 04-21-2021 06:50 AM

Finally got around to reading this. It’s the most poorly written allegedly ‘science’ article I have ever read, and does not even define an hypothesis before meandering off into chicken-little like ‘very bad consequences’ that are alleged but by no means proven and are pretty much unsupported by any data. Even an attempt at what appears to be some meta analysis (of what I’m still not sure) doesn’t make any sense, conflating statistical significance (under certain conditions of variability going from 100% blood oxygen saturation to 99% might actually be statistically significant - ie, two standard deviations off the mean - but physiologically unimportant since the human normal is 95-100% saturation anyway and going from San Diego to Albuquerque will likely take it down to 93%) with biologically significant which for all but those only not tenuously clinging to life with end stage COPD is really not a problem.

Nor does this appear to have any connection with Stanford and it actually isn’t a ‘study’ at all, more of a diatribe comes to mind. And that from someone who believes are society as a whole, the Public health people in general, and our politicians in particular have grossly over reacted to COVID.

But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.

Andy Dufresne 04-21-2021 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3224663)
Finally got around to reading this. It’s the most poorly written allegedly ‘science’ article I have ever read, and does not even define an hypothesis before meandering off into chicken-little like ‘very bad consequences’ that are alleged but by no means proven and are pretty much unsupported by any data. Even an attempt at what appears to be some meta analysis (of what I’m still not sure) doesn’t make any sense, conflating statistical significance (under certain conditions of variability going from 100% blood oxygen saturation to 99% might actually be statistically significant - ie, two standard deviations off the mean - but physiologically unimportant since the human normal is 95-100% saturation anyway and going from San Diego to Albuquerque will likely take it down to 93%) with biologically significant which for all but those only not tenuously clinging to life with end stage COPD is really not a problem.

Nor does this appear to have any connection with Stanford and it actually isn’t a ‘study’ at all, more of a diatribe comes to mind. And that from someone who believes are society as a whole, the Public health people in general, and our politicians in particular have grossly over reacted to COVID.

But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.

Too late. I've already thrown all my masks away and have printed a copy of the study to present to anyone who tells me I'm required to wear a mask in public places.

Regularguy 04-21-2021 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3224663)
But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.

Bad Science?

You saying this is "bad science" is like all the reporters saying your flying stinks.

But hey, we need a little science.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R14348bda8...sl=&pid=ImgRaw

Regularguy 04-21-2021 01:36 PM

Here's where the "science" (physics to be exact) is true.

A perforated barrier, as in a mask, slows the velocity of the air moving through it. Because vapor in the air has mass it tends to fall in a physically predictable manner.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...-data-from.png

The answer for science and physics dummies is this, the moisture from the breath does not go as far.

So, does this prevent COVID from spreading? And the grand most accurate answer from physics and science is this, NO!

It only reduces the distance of the exhaled virus.

Why does this seem so difficult.

https://updatedyou.com/wp-content/up...004620.131.jpg

So what is this driver doing that is so unsafe, he's wearing his mask and gloves?

And this is why bicyclist get hit by drivers using their cell phones.

Save lives, don't use your cell phone while driving!!!

Descendto450 04-21-2021 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 3224880)
Here's where the "science" (physics to be exact) is true.

A perforated barrier, as in a mask, slows the velocity of the air moving through it. Because vapor in the air has mass it tends to fall in a physically predictable manner.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...-data-from.png

The answer for science and physics dummies is this, the moisture from the breath does not go as far.

So, does this prevent COVID from spreading? And the grand most accurate answer from physics and science is this, NO!

It only reduces the distance of the exhaled virus.

Why does this seem so difficult.

https://updatedyou.com/wp-content/up...004620.131.jpg

So what is this driver doing that is so unsafe, he's wearing his mask and gloves?

And this is why bicyclist get hit by drivers using their cell phones.

Save lives, don't use your cell phone while driving!!!

It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..

Regularguy 04-21-2021 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Descendto450 (Post 3224900)
It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..

Makes total sense?

https://image.freepik.com/free-photo...2148577381.jpg

Of course there's the husband who told his wife not to wear a helmet because it will mess up her hair. Must be a cultural thing.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R69c72804f...sl=&pid=ImgRaw

Regularguy 04-21-2021 02:31 PM

I like this guy:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R91a0dc7ba...sl=&pid=ImgRaw
Totally protected and fighting the COVID virus in many ways. Oops that was when we were all worried about fallout. "There's nothing new under the sun!"

fishforfun 04-22-2021 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by Descendto450 (Post 3224900)
It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..

Smoking with the mask pulled down to their chin is my favorite.


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