Delta Variant
08-19-2021, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Key take-away: Delta did not mutate *around* the vaccines. If it had come from Israel, maybe different story but it didn't.
08-19-2021, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
That sounds racist and phobic, thank his they changed it.
08-19-2021, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Yes but it is nonetheless necessary to emphasize to all those blaming the unimmunized in the US for causing mutations. Unless you can also immunize the 1.2 billion people in India, the 750 million in China, and the God-alone-knows-how-many people in Africa and other underdeveloped countries, the 35% of people in the US who aren’t immunized or already recovered really aren’t going to make a serious difference in the mutation threat.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Thus far there have been NO particularly troublesome variants identified that have come from this group. That of course doesn’t mean there can’t be, just that they aren’t as of yet a significant source of new variants.
1) There is a hypothetical risk of the virus mutating to become vaccine-resistant.
2) But that risk is drastically mitigated by the much lower infection rate in the vaccinated population: fewer virus reproductive cycles => fewer mutations.
08-20-2021, 06:37 AM
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More data from Israel (useful because of high vaccination rates, early vaccination, and centralized healthcare system which is able to consistently acquire and track the data). Serious breakthrough cases mainly in older, unhealthy patients...
"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/
"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/
08-20-2021, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
More data from Israel (useful because of high vaccination rates, early vaccination, and centralized healthcare system which is able to consistently acquire and track the data). Serious breakthrough cases mainly in older, unhealthy patients...
"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
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"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
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For that matter, it has long been known that the four other common coronavirus strains that routinely circulated amongst us before COVID could ALSO be the mode of exit for elderly people in tenuous health.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3865488
08-21-2021, 08:27 AM
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So, if vaccinated individuals can be infected, carry the virus and transmit it to others, what good is proof of vaccination? Vaccinated people obviously are no less likely to spread the infection than unvaccinated people, so why is the liberty to freely participate in society being removed from the unvaccinated? Being required to show proof of vaccination is one step away from totalitarianism. It’s completely irrational.
08-21-2021, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
From my state’s health department, who is tracking breakthrough infections.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
08-21-2021, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Except NOBODY is tracking the rate of breakthrough cases of unvaccinated but previously infected and recovered.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
Gee, I wonder why that is?
08-22-2021, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Let us not forget the Delta variant was originally called the Indian variant, first identified in India, which had practically nobody vaccinated.
08-22-2021, 07:26 AM
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Delta Variant
How can a declarative statement about VoC originating from vaccine pressure be made when the Alpha variant was discovered before vaccines were approved and Delta was discovered in a country that had practically nobody vaccinated???
Couldn’t possibly have to do with greater sequence testing as the pandemic has progressed, could it?
Couldn’t possibly have to do with greater sequence testing as the pandemic has progressed, could it?
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