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Old 09-08-2021, 12:59 AM
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How does one wash down a beach?
With a really big hose and scrub brush.
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Old 09-08-2021, 07:11 AM
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That's not for COVID...back in 2017 COVID wasn't even around.

However, please show your proof that employees of the FDA are hiding evidence that Ivermectin works for COVID. You know what's laughable? What you think is proof Ivermectin is for COVID.
I never said it was a miracle drug for COVID!!! I said it was a miracle drug in response to the uneducated that refer to it as a horse dewormer, like it isn’t for human consumption. It is for human consumption, it is a miracle drug (which you said it wasn’t) and there are a lot of physicians that feel it has a place as an off label treatment for COVID.

If I had the money, I would put together some studies and gather the data together and put the package together to get it approved by FDA. I don’t have the money - so who will do it then? Not Merck or Pfizer, that’s for sure…not any company trying to develop a new drug to meet the need, that’s for sure…
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Old 09-08-2021, 07:38 AM
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I never said it was a miracle drug for COVID!!! I said it was a miracle drug in response to the uneducated that refer to it as a horse dewormer, like it isn’t for human consumption. It is for human consumption, it is a miracle drug (which you said it wasn’t) and there are a lot of physicians that feel it has a place as an off label treatment for COVID.

If I had the money, I would put together some studies and gather the data together and put the package together to get it approved by FDA. I don’t have the money - so who will do it then? Not Merck or Pfizer, that’s for sure…not any company trying to develop a new drug to meet the need, that’s for sure…
Ok, fair enough. You can call it a miracle drug for parasite infections, but not for COVID. No, Merck won't fund a study because the evidence isn't there. Now, some NGA might fund a study but they should do it correctly and not with flawed data as has been done.

I'm still waiting for any evidence the FDA employees are hiding Ivermectin data which would get it approved for treating COVID.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:02 AM
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Ok, fair enough. You can call it a miracle drug for parasite infections, but not for COVID. No, Merck won't fund a study because the evidence isn't there. Now, some NGA might fund a study but they should do it correctly and not with flawed data as has been done.

I'm still waiting for any evidence the FDA employees are hiding Ivermectin data which would get it approved for treating COVID.
Obviously, until a “whistleblower” type of individual comes forward from inside the FDA, proving the FDA is actively hiding data would be difficult to find. However, anyone with the ability to read and do some basic research can find multiple studies that show Ivermectin use in COVID dramatically reduces deaths and hospitalizations. Took me 2 seconds to find this article (not using Google, of course):
https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/...ctin-treatment
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Ok, fair enough. You can call it a miracle drug for parasite infections, but not for COVID. No, Merck won't fund a study because the evidence isn't there. Now, some NGA might fund a study but they should do it correctly and not with flawed data as has been done.

I'm still waiting for any evidence the FDA employees are hiding Ivermectin data which would get it approved for treating COVID.
I don't know much about Ivermectin, but one of the conditions of having an EUA issued for treatment (including vaccines) is that there can't be an "adequate, approved, and available alternative" to fight against COVID. Once we decided to go down the road of EUAs for vaccines, that pretty much nuked any chance of seeing any other kind of alternative treatment for COVID gaining approval.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3

I'm not saying that is what happened here, and I really don't care to be honest, but if there actually was a highly effective treatment, especially one that is cheap and readily available, then you can bet your rear end it would never see any kind of approval while these big pharma EUA vaccines are still in force. Money always wins out in the end.
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…No, Merck won't fund a study because the evidence isn't there…
I'm still waiting for any evidence the FDA employees are hiding Ivermectin data which would get it approved for treating COVID.
Missed it again. Merck won’t find a study because they are developing their own NEW (PATENTED) drug for treatment of COVID-19 that they have spent $$$ developing and will make $$$$$ selling - why would they fund a study for an off patent drug they will not make much (if any) money on, that will compete with the one that will make lots of money?

Again, to try to be clearer, for FDA to approve Ivermectin for COVID treatment, someone has to make the case - spend money to put together a package and bring it to FDA to approve. NONE of the drug companies will do that, it seems - there is no money in it. Do you not get that part?
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Ok, fair enough. You can call it a miracle drug for parasite infections, but not for COVID. No, Merck won't fund a study because the evidence isn't there. Now, some NGA might fund a study but they should do it correctly and not with flawed data as has been done.

I'm still waiting for any evidence the FDA employees are hiding Ivermectin data which would get it approved for treating COVID.
Links already posted, there are currently large scale studies in progress. One at Oxford. There is plenty of data to get money flowing enough to fund these trials.

Hey, did you hear about all those people in Oklahoma at the hospital with Ivermectin poisoning? Yeah, it wasn't true. You want evidence that there are powers trying to discredit Ivermectin? Pretty obvious isn't it?
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Missed it again. Merck won’t find a study because they are developing their own NEW (PATENTED) drug for treatment of COVID-19 that they have spent $$$ developing and will make $$$$$ selling - why would they fund a study for an off patent drug they will not make much (if any) money on, that will compete with the one that will make lots of money?

Again, to try to be clearer, for FDA to approve Ivermectin for COVID treatment, someone has to make the case - spend money to put together a package and bring it to FDA to approve. NONE of the drug companies will do that, it seems - there is no money in it. Do you not get that part?
Yes, someone has to make the case and it does take money. There are many entities that fund studies that aren't drug companies. Do you get that part? Even if they fund the study, it still has to be constructed correctly and then peer-reviewed before the FDA rules on it.
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Yes, someone has to make the case and it does take money. There are many entities that fund studies that aren't drug companies. Do you get that part? Even if they fund the study, it still has to be constructed correctly and then peer-reviewed before the FDA rules on it.
Name one. Name one entity other than a drug company that will currently or even has in the past worked with FDA on a drug approval that was not a drug company. Name just one.

https://today.uconn.edu/2021/05/why-...-regulates-2/#

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmen...-process-drugs

I can’t make it any clearer than this…you are dangerously close to willful ignorance.
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Name one. Name one entity other than a drug company that will currently or even has in the past worked with FDA on a drug approval that was not a drug company. Name just one.

https://today.uconn.edu/2021/05/why-...-regulates-2/#

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmen...-process-drugs

I can’t make it any clearer than this…you are dangerously close to willful ignorance.
The NIH, the National Biomedical Research Foundation, the Cancer Foundation, ad infinitum. There you go.
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