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Flyfalcons 09-05-2021 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290800)
Social isolation and mental/developmental issues have been very clearly observed in school age children during the lockdowns. Plenty of info available on that.

Okay but that's a government induced problem, not a medical one.

Flyfalcons 09-05-2021 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290801)
You are of course perfectly entitled to do that (and vice versa).

Personally I don't care either way. Individuals can make their own choices, and businesses/organizations can make theirs as well. It will all shake out in the end.

In some cases the businesses cannot make their own choice. Government induced, again.

Excargodog 09-05-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290800)
Social isolation and mental/developmental issues have been very clearly observed in school age children during the lockdowns. Plenty of info available on that.

Absolutely, not that the politicians gave it an ounce of weight in their lockdown plans. And it hits the disadvantaged hardest. Many kids are destined to drop out of school before even finishing high school. US-wide, the high school graduation rate is only 88%

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...rates-by-state

and in disadvantaged areas less than that - in some FAR less than that. And those students will live the rest of their lives with the result of missing this school time.

rickair7777 09-05-2021 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3290782)
It absolutely is not a vaccine, but rather a therapeutic boost of neutralizing antibodies. The Pfizer CEO says three shots per year, but the engineering data says only two per year.

It worked fine as a vaccine for the original version, better than many other vaccines for efficacy. Still decent efficacy for D (relative to, say, the flu cocktail). Excellent efficacy against severe covid.

And technically the word your grasping for is "prophylactic" not "therapeutic".

Mesabah 09-05-2021 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290821)
It worked fine as a vaccine for the original version, better than many other vaccines for efficacy. Still decent efficacy for D (relative to, say, the flu cocktail). Excellent efficacy against severe covid.

And technically the word your grasping for is "prophylactic" not "therapeutic".

No, it does not prevent disease.

Nantonaku 09-05-2021 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290801)
You are of course perfectly entitled to do that (and vice versa).

Personally I don't care either way. Individuals can make their own choices, and businesses/organizations can make theirs as well. It will all shake out in the end.

Of course it will shake out but will the end result of that shake out be a series of states seceding from the Union? And people left living in blue states getting 3 boosters a year? The number of people who are actually backing up their threats and moving as a result of the events of the last year is going to further divide the country and eventually force some states to start pushing for succession. I don't know a single person who went to the hospital as a result of Covid. I know multiple people moving across the county as a result of the political malarkey the last year. Maybe it will be good for the country. I anticipate I'll be moving in the next 5 years as will everyone in my family if things don't start to improve in the next year (and I'm not talking about Covid - I'm not a afraid of Covid, every single person I care about in my family has had it and recovered - I'm talking about the political power grabs).

GeeWizDriver 09-05-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3290801)
You are of course perfectly entitled to do that (and vice versa).

Personally I don't care either way. Individuals can make their own choices, and businesses/organizations can make theirs as well. It will all shake out in the end.

The frogs are nearly boiled. Congratulations.

rickair7777 09-06-2021 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3290825)
No, it does not prevent disease.

Sure it does, just not perfectly. Welcome to biology.

rickair7777 09-06-2021 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3290852)
Of course it will shake out but will the end result of that shake out be a series of states seceding from the Union? And people left living in blue states getting 3 boosters a year? The number of people who are actually backing up their threats and moving as a result of the events of the last year is going to further divide the country and eventually force some states to start pushing for succession. I don't know a single person who went to the hospital as a result of Covid. I know multiple people moving across the county as a result of the political malarkey the last year. Maybe it will be good for the country. I anticipate I'll be moving in the next 5 years as will everyone in my family if things don't start to improve in the next year (and I'm not talking about Covid - I'm not a afraid of Covid, every single person I care about in my family has had it and recovered - I'm talking about the political power grabs).

Different issue, and covid is a sideshow with respect to that.

Excargodog 09-06-2021 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3290825)
No, it does not prevent disease.

More that it does not prevent infection and transmission, and that it is too short-lived to give the sort of robust and long term protection other vaccines give. Certainly worth getting if you are over 35 and have not already had COVID. Or if you have serious comorbidities like HIV or otherwise immune suppressed.


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