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TrojanCMH 10-06-2021 06:56 AM
Vaccine Mandate Exemption
 
Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
More ad hominim attacks.

So you're saying the project veritas video of pfizer scientists is false? You must not have looked at it. Here's what the PFIZER scientists said in the undercover video:
  • Nick Karl, Pfizer Scientist: “When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”
  • Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “You’re protected for longer” if you have natural COVID antibodies compared to the COVID vaccine.
  • Croce: “I work for an evil corporation…Our organization is run on COVID money.”
  • Rahul Khandke, Pfizer Scientist: “If you have [COVID] antibodies built up, you should be able to prove that you have those built up.”

    So are the Pfizer scientists all lying? Is this fake news to you? Or do you acknowledge, as they do, that natural immunity can be as good or better than the jabs?

I don’t think anyone has argued that natural immunity is worse or not equal to being vaccinated. I don’t think those Pfizer employees are lying and it isn’t exactly some earth shattering news they’re sharing. Companies should accept a positive antibody test as a substitute for vaccination in my opinion.

otter1 10-06-2021 07:12 AM
Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3305163)
I don’t think anyone has argued that natural immunity is worse or not equal to being vaccinated. I don’t think those Pfizer employees are lying and it isn’t exactly some earth shattering news they’re sharing. Companies should accept a positive antibody test as a substitute for vaccination in my opinion.
Thank you for the reasoned response. I agree that antibody tests should be accepted but they won't be-and that is my point. They are not following the science with these mandates.

Halon1211 10-06-2021 10:22 AM
I heard the CDC is now going to mandate that Santa Claus is only going to be visiting homes to those that are fully vaccinated.

all others will be given a lump of coal.

IamEssential 10-06-2021 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3305264)
I heard the CDC is now going to mandate that Santa Claus is only going to be visiting homes to those that are fully vaccinated.

all others will be given a lump of coal.
Fauchi the Grinch at it again? The clown just tried to cancel Christmas last week. Guess getting vaccinated means nothing now.

John Carr 10-06-2021 10:58 AM
Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3305264)
I heard the CDC is now going to mandate that Santa Claus is only going to be visiting homes to those that are fully vaccinated.

all others will be given a lump of coal.
Give them time......

Probably come out with some more guidelines/restrictions;

If everyone in the house can provide proof of a rapid/PCR test within 72 hours, it's at Santa's discretion.

If people mask up (preferably double mask), it's at Santa's discretion.

Speaking of the FAT man, just shy of 4/5 of people that die of the 'Vid are also obese, he might wanna do something about that.

flyprdu 10-06-2021 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3305283)
Speaking of the FAT man, just shy of 4/5 of people that die of the 'Vid are also obese, he might wanna do something about that.
We tried. You were against that too.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...227-story.html

John Carr 10-06-2021 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3305287)
We tried. You were against that too.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...227-story.html
SECOND time you've done that. Not sure how/why you make these assumptions about me.

Sphincter tightness possibly an issue with you?

First time was simply observation of people's partisan behaviors.

Second was a facetious statement, yet based on people's flip flopping behaviors.

rickair7777 10-06-2021 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
Nick Karl, Pfizer Scientist: “When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”
Yes, I think that's starting to become clear to anybody who reads the news. So he stated the obvious at happy hour... not really a smoking gun :rolleyes:

Doesn't mean I want to get covid just to acquire the immunity, and I sure wouldn't want to be non-vaccinated and then get covid to acquire the immunity.

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “You’re protected for longer” if you have natural COVID antibodies compared to the COVID vaccine.
See above.

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
Croce: “I work for an evil corporation…Our organization is run on COVID money.”
A slightly drunk, slightly disgruntled employee talking trash at the bar... now you've really found the smoking gun. And they made actual MONEY??? Call the FBI! All of us who work for airlines know that something is seriously wrong when companies make money.

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
Rahul Khandke, Pfizer Scientist: “If you have [COVID] antibodies built up, you should be able to prove that you have those built up.”
I agree. Write your congressman.

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3305120)
So are the Pfizer scientists all lying? Is this fake news to you?
Nooo... they're drunk and stating the obvious.

Also your post IS actually factually incorrect. They are definitely NOT "Pfizer scientists". They might possibly be "former Pfizer scientists".

DropTank 10-09-2021 03:01 PM
You can have any exemption you want by getting a new job (career).

There, that settles it.

Excargodog 10-09-2021 07:36 PM
From Reuters:

In COVID-19 survivors, important components of the body's immune response called memory B cells continue to evolve and get stronger for at least several months, producing highly potent antibodies that can neutralize new variants of the virus, a new study has found. By comparison, vaccine-induced memory B cells are less robust, evolving for only a few weeks and never "learning" to protect against variants, researchers reported in a paper published on Thursday in Nature. COVID-19 vaccines do induce more antibodies than the immune system does after a coronavirus infection. But the immune system response to infection appears to outshine its response to vaccines when it comes to memory B cells. Regardless of whether antibodies are induced by infection or vaccine, their levels drop within six months in many people. But memory B cells stand ready to produce new antibodies if the body encounters the virus. Prior to this study, there had been little data on how vaccine-induced B cells compare to infection-induced B cells. The researchers caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells after infection do not outweigh the risks that come with COVID-19. "While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you," said study leader Michel Nussenzweig of Rockefeller University, in a statement. "A vaccine won't do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection."

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...er-2021-10-08/


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