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DeltaboundRedux 10-15-2021 06:40 PM

Executive mandates and regulations promulgated from federal agencies apply to Congressmen and their aids every single day.

Congress may pass a law exempting themselves from them…which they often do. (Certain Insider trading laws come to mind).

The idea that the Congress is somehow automatically exempt from every rule promulgated from regulatory agencies overseen by the executive is misleading.

rickair7777 10-20-2021 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3309981)
Executive mandates and regulations promulgated from federal agencies apply to Congressmen and their aids every single day.

Anything which applies to regular citizens can apply to INDIVIDUAL congress critters and legislative branch employees, ie they can't murder people or sell secrets to china anymore than you or I. They are also subject to mask mandates in airports as far as I know.

But in this case the mandate applies to EMPLOYERS. The legislative branch itself is the employer and as an organization it is exempt from such executive mandates.

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3309981)

Congress may pass a law exempting themselves from them…which they often do. (Certain Insider trading laws come to mind).

No they cannot. They can pass a bill, which has the legal force of nothing. They need POTUS to sign it into law, so there is a hypothetical check on what they can grant themselves.

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3309981)
The idea that the Congress is somehow automatically exempt from every rule promulgated from regulatory agencies overseen by the executive is misleading.

They have placed, or allowed themselves to be placed under many regulatory and executive processes. But that's always by law, or regulation founded in law.

The point people keep missing is that if POTUS shoots from the hip and issues an EO that does not apply to the executive unless it fits into some existing structure for that. Recall that the house and senate had their own, and rather different, policies about social distancing last year.

galaxy flyer 10-20-2021 07:29 PM

The total tonnage of what people, who claim all kinds of “rights under the Constitution”, do not actually know about the USG is stunning. Ready to toss out all manner of stupid opinions as fact, too.

I hope the coloring book isn’t about the US Government.

beetlehog 10-21-2021 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3306900)
My SWAG... they want as much progress as possible now, by any and all means, so they can lighten up before the midterms. They don't want a covid surge next summer, they don't want economic disruption, and I don't think they want to be pushing mandates hard next year either... they know that will drive a lot of the middle ground away.

Sheesh Rick,

If you cannot see that the mid terms are already going to be an absolute blood bath than you need to go and see the eye Doc. Elections have consequences, stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.

rickair7777 10-22-2021 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by beetlehog (Post 3312626)
Sheesh Rick,

If you cannot see that the mid terms are already going to be an absolute blood bath than you need to go and see the eye Doc. Elections have consequences, stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.

I didn't speculate either way, just said the pols might be taking it into account. Let's leave it at that and not go down the rabbit hole.

rickair7777 10-22-2021 06:19 AM

WSJ is reporting that vaccine mandate challenges are failing in US courts.

Some cases based on religious exemption are proceeding.

RiddleEagle18 10-22-2021 07:47 AM

Vaccine Mandate Exemption
 

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3312664)
WSJ is reporting that vaccine mandate challenges are failing in US courts.

Some cases based on religious exemption are proceeding.


The only mandates that have been challenged so far have been state, city, or company issued mandates.

The federal mandates have not been challenged yet.

Two very different court issues.


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GeeWizDriver 10-22-2021 07:52 AM

Indeed. The first draft of the OSHA 100 employee “rule” is just being written and has to come out before there is a cause of action. More than 20 State AGs have vowed to sue. There will be a federal judge, somewhere, that will provide injunctive relief until the matter is settled. Months at least.

I’ll be certain of more tomorrow. I’m staying at a Holiday Inn Express tonight…

LuvsTacos 10-22-2021 05:50 PM

Vaccine Mandate Exemption
 
The fed contract mandate is the conversation you should focus on. This is real, the supremes won’t do anything, and the clock is 1min from midnight. Game over on that one.


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