Beautiful!!
10-14-2021, 10:06 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by av8or
id like to require a fellow cockpit occupant that blocks potential egress because they couldn’t get their a$$ through the window in an emergency because they can’t quit shoving warm Alaska cookies in their pie hole to have to lose 50-100 lbs. Where’s THAT responsibility?
I’d like to see a POTUS that can barely form a sentence and raised a meth addicted, cocaine off a hookers a$$, millionaire off selling access to his daddy son get his own damn house in order before he lectures me on HIS patience running thin. Where’s his responsibility?
I’d like to see a pharmaceutical company that is making billions off their vaccine, that was funded and paid for by taxpayer dollars not be let off the hook for ANY short or long term effects shoulder some liability. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
Id like to see the company that is enforcing the mandate so they can continue continue to suck off the government contract teat, say, “tell ya what, you get the vaccine and if their are any short or long term side effects (loss of license, death, whatever) we got your back financially”…. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
You get on here and mouth off about responsibility when literally NO one else is responsible regarding the vaccine, it’s efficacy, or any potential downside except the person getting the jab. That’s so fn rich. Feel free to call the union or the company and step up to the plate…. tell them that you believe in the vax so much that, in the event there are negative side effects (now or in the future) for any pilot that gets the vax you’ll donate half your pay to help support them financially. Then you can pontificate about responsibility.
Same goes for you ShyGuy
I’d like to see a POTUS that can barely form a sentence and raised a meth addicted, cocaine off a hookers a$$, millionaire off selling access to his daddy son get his own damn house in order before he lectures me on HIS patience running thin. Where’s his responsibility?
I’d like to see a pharmaceutical company that is making billions off their vaccine, that was funded and paid for by taxpayer dollars not be let off the hook for ANY short or long term effects shoulder some liability. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
Id like to see the company that is enforcing the mandate so they can continue continue to suck off the government contract teat, say, “tell ya what, you get the vaccine and if their are any short or long term side effects (loss of license, death, whatever) we got your back financially”…. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
You get on here and mouth off about responsibility when literally NO one else is responsible regarding the vaccine, it’s efficacy, or any potential downside except the person getting the jab. That’s so fn rich. Feel free to call the union or the company and step up to the plate…. tell them that you believe in the vax so much that, in the event there are negative side effects (now or in the future) for any pilot that gets the vax you’ll donate half your pay to help support them financially. Then you can pontificate about responsibility.
Same goes for you ShyGuy
So afraid, for no good reason.
10-14-2021, 10:38 PM
#22
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Posts: 891
Originally Posted by 400000Dead
All I see in this post is fear, bordering on panic.
So afraid, for no good reason.
So afraid, for no good reason.
10-14-2021, 10:47 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,902
Originally Posted by HGWT
Don’t like flying with coworkers who are adamant about their right to make decisions pertaining to their body and family you can quit as well. Don’t feel safe in light of the current „situation“ lock yourself in your basement.
Do us a favor and exercise your rights as well.
Do us a favor and exercise your rights as well.
You could comply with the mandate, and now official company policy.
10-14-2021, 10:53 PM
#24
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Posts: 371
Originally Posted by av8or
Nice retort. All I saw in your posts were arrogance and condescension but, ya didn’t answer my question. How much can we put ya down for to cover you sanctimoniously rolling the dice for someone else?
Your entire argument boils down to paranoia and deflection. It's embarrassing.
10-14-2021, 11:02 PM
#25
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Posts: 8,902
Originally Posted by av8or
id like to require a fellow cockpit occupant that blocks potential egress because they couldn’t get their a$$ through the window in an emergency because they can’t quit shoving warm Alaska cookies in their pie hole to have to lose 50-100 lbs. Where’s THAT responsibility?
I’d like to see a POTUS that can barely form a sentence and raised a meth addicted, cocaine off a hookers a$$, millionaire off selling access to his daddy son get his own damn house in order before he lectures me on HIS patience running thin. Where’s his responsibility?
I’d like to see a pharmaceutical company that is making billions off their vaccine, that was funded and paid for by taxpayer dollars not be let off the hook for ANY short or long term effects shoulder some liability. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
Id like to see the company that is enforcing the mandate so they can continue continue to suck off the government contract teat, say, “tell ya what, you get the vaccine and if their are any short or long term side effects (loss of license, death, whatever) we got your back financially”…. Where’s THEIR responsibility?
You get on here and mouth off about responsibility when literally NO one else is responsible regarding the vaccine, it’s efficacy, or any potential downside except the person getting the jab. That’s so fn rich. Feel free to call the union or the company and step up to the plate…. tell them that you believe in the vax so much that, in the event there are negative side effects (now or in the future) for any pilot that gets the vax you’ll donate half your pay to help support them financially. Then you can pontificate about responsibility.
Same goes for you ShyGuy
Same goes for you ShyGuy
Last edited by ShyGuy; 10-14-2021 at 11:14 PM.
10-14-2021, 11:17 PM
#26
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Posts: 891
Originally Posted by 400000Dead
So tell me, how long does this insurance policy have to last? Because we're all going to die someday. Will you blame the old man who dies in 2066 on his COVID shot?
Your entire argument boils down to paranoia and deflection. It's embarrassing.
Your entire argument boils down to paranoia and deflection. It's embarrassing.
Let’s do this thing!!!
“Embarrassing” is when you talk trash about responsibility, while not holding anyone responsible other than the person you’re criticizing for making the same risk assessment YOU did and coming to a different conclusion.
If you’re not in management here, ya really really oughta look into it. That level of arrogant condescension in emails to the pilot group would be handsomely rewarded.
10-14-2021, 11:23 PM
#27
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Posts: 371
Originally Posted by av8or
I’ll make it easy on ya… just two years. For two years, if any pilot at Alaska has an adverse effect due to a Covid vax that results in loss of license, disability, or death…. You give up half your salary to pay them or their family.
Let’s do this thing!!!
“Embarrassing” is when you talk trash about responsibility, while not holding anyone responsible other than the person you’re criticizing for making the same risk assessment YOU did and coming to a different conclusion.
Let’s do this thing!!!
“Embarrassing” is when you talk trash about responsibility, while not holding anyone responsible other than the person you’re criticizing for making the same risk assessment YOU did and coming to a different conclusion.
You don't. You're completely pulling it out of your *ss. It's lizard-brain panic that is driving all of this nonsense.
That is why you have my condescension. Not because I'm management. It's because you're not thinking.
10-14-2021, 11:51 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by 400000Dead
Okay... tell me what could happen in those magical two years, for a fraction of an ounce of liquid and mRNA that dissipates in 3 days? Do have any understanding of the mechanisms and why a two year window is necessary?
You don't. You're completely pulling it out of your *ss. It's lizard-brain panic that is driving all of this nonsense.
That is why you have my condescension. Not because I'm management. It's because you're not thinking.
You don't. You're completely pulling it out of your *ss. It's lizard-brain panic that is driving all of this nonsense.
That is why you have my condescension. Not because I'm management. It's because you're not thinking.
I have had Covid. I tested positive. I have had a quantitative antibody test with antibodies literally off the charts. That’s also “science”. But none of that matters to you, or the company, or Joe Biden…. And why the hell should it? IF now or in the future there’s an issue neither of y’all nor the drug co’s are gonna take responsibility for it. You wanna go to Vegas and put it all on Red at the roulette table? (I’m not saying the odds are the same before you go there.) Be my guest…. But now you’re like “I won!!….. it worked out for me, so let me roll the dice with YOUR money!” And I say, “um, well, I’d rather not.” And you’re like “but you MUST…. The POTUS said so!” And I say, look that’s cool, are you or POTUS gonna cover my loss if it’s Black?” And you’re like “look Dude, I know statistical probability… math… I know way more about than YOU ya dumba$$. Do you not believe in MATH? Gimme your money to put on red, or I’ll have you kicked out of the casino.”
The bottom line you can’t refute is that you’re not just taking away my personal choice, you’re doing so, WHILE being unwilling to shoulder any liability. THAT is my baseline issue. Do you not get that? Or it it just doesn’t matter? Cause clearly you’re not willing to put YOUR paycheck on the line for someone if it goes bad.
10-14-2021, 11:56 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by av8or
Yes…. I did absolutely pull it out of my ass. It was arbitrary. So, how how bout you explain to me, why it is, that the pharmaceutical companies needed, for the first time ever, a zero liability clause? A few years ago I was struggling with a respiratory infection I just couldn’t shake. Tried all the normal prescriptions from my doctor. He says, “well, the only thing stronger we could try is cyprofloxacin, (Cipro) but, there is the possibility of some negative side effects…. some risk you need to consider if we go that route.” I REALLY wanted to be rid of it, and I’ve never had a reaction to an antibiotic, but, I went and did some research and it turns out, that IF it goes bad, it can damn near or possibly kill you, so I opted out…. Rode out the storm. It was a fully FDA approved antibiotic. That being said, they were still on the hook for lawsuits by people it did kill or nearly kill.
I have had Covid. I tested positive. I have had a quantitative antibody test with antibodies literally off the charts. That’s also “science”. But none of that matters to you, or the company, or Joe Biden…. And why the hell should it? IF now or in the future there’s an issue neither of y’all nor the drug co’s are gonna take responsibility for it. You wanna go to Vegas and put it all on Red at the roulette table? (I’m not saying the odds are the same before you go there.) Be my guest…. But now you’re like “I won!!….. it worked out for me, so let me roll the dice with YOUR money!” And I say, “um, well, I’d rather not.” And you’re like “but you MUST…. The POTUS said so!” And I say, look that’s cool, are you or POTUS gonna cover my loss if it’s Black?” And you’re like “look Dude, I know statistical probability… math… I know way more about than YOU ya dumba$$. Do you not believe in MATH? Gimme your money to put on red, or I’ll have you kicked out of the casino.”
I have had Covid. I tested positive. I have had a quantitative antibody test with antibodies literally off the charts. That’s also “science”. But none of that matters to you, or the company, or Joe Biden…. And why the hell should it? IF now or in the future there’s an issue neither of y’all nor the drug co’s are gonna take responsibility for it. You wanna go to Vegas and put it all on Red at the roulette table? (I’m not saying the odds are the same before you go there.) Be my guest…. But now you’re like “I won!!….. it worked out for me, so let me roll the dice with YOUR money!” And I say, “um, well, I’d rather not.” And you’re like “but you MUST…. The POTUS said so!” And I say, look that’s cool, are you or POTUS gonna cover my loss if it’s Black?” And you’re like “look Dude, I know statistical probability… math… I know way more about than YOU ya dumba$$. Do you not believe in MATH? Gimme your money to put on red, or I’ll have you kicked out of the casino.”
By the way, this isn't a politics forum. Oh and Trump got vaccinated. Twice.
10-15-2021, 12:13 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by 400000Dead
Every other word is about Joe Biden. I wonder if you'd be p*ssing and moaning as much if Trump was in charge and the mandate was ordered.
By the way, this isn't a politics forum. Oh and Trump got vaccinated. Twice.
By the way, this isn't a politics forum. Oh and Trump got vaccinated. Twice.
and yes… I know Trump got vaccinated. I could care less. I’m assuming that was also HIS decision (and probably a reasonably good one at his age and health condition btw).
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