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Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3338318)
You need help.
“The Drum” is all knowing on all things Covid .... or medical in general. I liken him to the all powerful “OZ”. He’s the number one candidate for president of the Leper colony. |
Originally Posted by jtbost
(Post 3338717)
“The Drum” is all knowing on all things Covid .... or medical in general. I liken him to the all powerful “OZ”. He’s the number one candidate for president of the Leper colony.
By leper colony are you referring to the movie "12 O'Clock High"? Great movie BTW. Might have taught you something about leadership at one point Its just that things I post here seem to come to fruition. Uncanny. |
Drum is right more than not. None of us have been 100% right on this from day one.
What ****es me off IRL us friends and relatives trying to jam VAX or ELSE!!! down our throats. In my case, I have an engineering and two science degrees. While I'm not an immunology or even a medical guy (my PhD was in Thermodynamics) I can read scientific literature. My wife is a non MD with a BS in Bio/Pre Med, a Masters in Kinesiology, and a doctorate in a human performance field. (I am being intentionally vague because some Covid is my religion types tried to doxx her and get her fired once) We understand scientific literature in our house. And I get yelled at about "NOT FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE!!!" by my relatives with GEDs who work at WinCo Foods and Kroger. Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk |
A year ago, if any public figure had predicted we’d be pushing things like :
“We must protect the triple vaccinated from the anti-science and irresponsible double vaccinated!!!!” They would have been laughed out of town. Or at least queried about what, exactly, was the point of such a leaky vaccine issued under an EUA with blanket liability protections for a manufacturer about to pocket billions. Yet here we are, with one of the 3 recommended “vaccines” slowly being walked back. Not anti-vax, but the goalpost moving on this has been unreal from the beginning. 2 weeks to slow the spread!!!! |
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3338768)
A year ago, if any public figure had predicted we’d be pushing things like :
“We must protect the triple vaccinated from the anti-science and irresponsible double vaccinated!!!!” They would have been laughed out of town. Or at least queried about what, exactly, was the point of such a leaky vaccine issued under an EUA with blanket liability protections for a manufacturer about to pocket billions. Yet here we are, with one of the 3 recommended “vaccines” slowly being walked back. Not anti-vax, but the goalpost moving on this has been unreal from the beginning. 2 weeks to slow the spread!!!! A year ago we had nothing, and yet you all were still clammorring for a return to normal, damn the fatalities. So I'd say the discussion topic has improved substantially. Your attitudes have not. |
Originally Posted by 400000Dead
(Post 3339167)
The fact that you have the opportunity to be triple vaccinated, giving you an almost certain chance staying out of the hospital, is a miracle of science.
A year ago we had nothing, and yet you all were still clammorring for a return to normal, damn the fatalities. So I'd say the discussion topic has improved substantially. Your attitudes have not. and last I checked we are no longer near returned to normal anyway. The next scary variant is here, dontchaknow |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3339184)
Depending on your understanding of statistics, my age group, and my comorbidities, I had an almost certain chance of staying out of the hospital without the vaccines anyway.
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5 more states challenge Pentagon’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for GuardsmenBy Meghann MyersWednesday, Dec 15 Following Oklahoma’s lead, five additional states are pushing back against the Defense Department’s COVID-19 vaccine policy, putting their objections in a letter addressed to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Tuesday.The governors of Wyoming, Iowa, Alaska, Nebraska and Mississippi all signed onto the letter, asking Austin to lift his bar on unvaccinated Guard troops attending drill weekends or other mandatory training while in a federal, state-controlled status.Dictating circumstances for training, levying punishments for declining vaccination and requiring separation from the National Guard are “beyond your constitutional and statutory authority,” the governors wrote. “We have received the letter from the five Governors and will respond in due course,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said in a statement Wednesday. The battle between states and DoD over vaccine requirements for National Guardsmen kicked off in Oklahoma. In early November, the head of the Guard there announced that, on the order of Gov. Kevin Stitt, the state would not be enforcing the federal vaccine mandate for troops in a state-controlled status.The letter sent Tuesday takes a different tack from Stitt, who originally requested that Austin suspend the mandate for Guardsmen, then ordered his adjutant general to not enforce the mandate.The governors’ letter instead challenges the defense secretary’s ability to mete out punishments to Guardsmen who are not on federal status. While each state’s Guard can be activated by its governor to help with relief efforts, for example, there are two federal statuses for Guardsmen: Title 10, which covers mobilizations at the behest of the president, as well as mandatory training and education; and Title 32, which is also at the behest of the president and federally funded, but leaves the governor at the top of the chain of command. The fight over whether the Pentagon could enforce its vaccine mandate comes down to when the federal government has control over National Guard troops, which serve a dual role as a state militia. Oklahoma officials have said that Austin only has authority during a Title 10 activation. The Pentagon has said that Title 32 status, which includes mandatory, monthly drill weekends, are also in their purview. As such, Austin has taken the stance that vaccines are part of a readiness requirement and that Guardsmen can’t drill without them. This is one of those battles where if you have to fight it at all you have lost. The only question is how much. |
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Originally Posted by 400000Dead
(Post 3339190)
Lots of dead people thought exactly like you did.
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Originally Posted by 400000Dead
(Post 3339167)
The fact that you have the opportunity to be triple vaccinated, giving you an almost certain chance staying out of the hospital, is a miracle of science.
A year ago we had nothing, and yet you all were still clammorring for a return to normal, damn the fatalities. So I'd say the discussion topic has improved substantially. Your attitudes have not. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3339850)
Now, I will grant you, if I go to the hospital with Covid I will have a good chance of getting renal failure and dying. That has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with our treatment protocols and non existent early treatment.
They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day. Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home. |
Originally Posted by 400000Dead
(Post 3339879)
This is the latest horror to come out of the anti-vax camp. There's been growing propaganda and dissatisfaction from the idiots of our nation that they somehow know better than doctors on how to treat COVID. That watching YouTube videos has informed them better than the experts in the hospital who are overburdened try to save their loved one's life.
They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day. Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3339886)
99.8% survival rate sir. No reply to that I guess. As far as renal failure goes, please educate yourself on remdesivir. It was used in the ebola crisis in Africa and was first to be pulled from trials because it was deadly. I don't watch Youtube for my information, let alone Newsmax. They are compromised by pharma ad. dollars. I appreciate your passion on the issue but your disdain for a very large chunk of the country is very off putting. It is not possible for you to influence anyone on your current tack.
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...s-not-over-99/ |
Originally Posted by 400000Dead
(Post 3339879)
This is the latest horror to come out of the anti-vax camp. There's been growing propaganda and dissatisfaction from the idiots of our nation that they somehow know better than doctors on how to treat COVID. That watching YouTube videos has informed them better than the experts in the hospital who are overburdened try to save their loved one's life.
They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day. Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home. there is none for most of us according to today’s medical protocols. You just wait until you are sick enough to go to the hospital, rather than try proven, safe drugs like ivermectin? thank god there are lots of doctors that do prescribe and treat patients with drugs like that before they need hospitalization. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3339886)
99.8% survival rate sir. No reply to that I guess. As far as renal failure goes, please educate yourself on remdesivir. It was used in the ebola crisis in Africa and was first to be pulled from trials because it was deadly. I don't watch Youtube for my information, let alone Newsmax. They are compromised by pharma ad. dollars. I appreciate your passion on the issue but your disdain for a very large chunk of the country is very off putting. It is not possible for you to influence anyone on your current tack.
But consider the outlook of the general public... 99%, or even 99.9% survival for a DISCRETE EVENT is not that great. Have to assume that EVERYBODY will get covid, and sooner not later (omicron severity may be lower). Would you be good with a 99% chance of not having a fatal crash on every leg you fly? Would you operate that leg, or call out fatigued? How about going for a motorcycle ride? Even the isle of Man TT isn't that dangerous. How about 99.9%? Neither 99% or 99.9% are great odds for something that everyone pretty much will get. Different people calculate their own odds differently, being fit, healthy, and not very old I wasn't worried... but a lot of the population (majority I'm sure) are not very fit AND healthy AND young. I have friends who flew space shuttles, similar fatality rate... great gig but their pucker factor was waaaaay up there on game day. |
Until you get very sick with Covid, you are on your own as far as treatment goes.
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Context is everything
BEFORE Covid, the death rate in long term care facilities was 35% per year. Median survival was 2.2 years. Elderly people with serious medical conditions can and do die from simple colds and certainly from community acquired pneumonia’s. And 6.5 million Americans are 85 years and older. Nobody is going to live forever. WHO IS DYING and AT WHAT TIME IN THEIR LIFE makes a difference.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3339980)
I'm no covidian, by any means.
But consider the outlook of the general public... 99%, or even 99.9% survival for a DISCRETE EVENT is not that great. Have to assume that EVERYBODY will get covid, and sooner not later (omicron severity may be lower). Would you be good with a 99% chance of not having a fatal crash on every leg you fly? Would you operate that leg, or call out fatigued? How about going for a motorcycle ride? Even the isle of Man TT isn't that dangerous. How about 99.9%? Neither 99% or 99.9% are great odds for something that everyone pretty much will get. Different people calculate their own odds differently, being fit, healthy, and not very old I wasn't worried... but a lot of the population (majority I'm sure) are not very fit AND healthy AND young. I have friends who flew space shuttles, similar fatality rate... great gig but their pucker factor was waaaaay up there on game day. “According to the National Safety Council (NSC), an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 107as of 2019” https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju.../data-details/ |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3340075)
Rick, do you drive in cars?
“According to the National Safety Council (NSC), an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 107as of 2019” https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju.../data-details/ |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 3340075)
Rick, do you drive in cars?
“According to the National Safety Council (NSC), an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 107as of 2019” https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju.../data-details/ With covid most people will get it within a couple years... that's a lot of risk in that period. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3339980)
I'm no covidian, by any means.
But consider the outlook of the general public... 99%, or even 99.9% survival for a DISCRETE EVENT is not that great. Have to assume that EVERYBODY will get covid, and sooner not later (omicron severity may be lower). Would you be good with a 99% chance of not having a fatal crash on every leg you fly? Would you operate that leg, or call out fatigued? How about going for a motorcycle ride? Even the isle of Man TT isn't that dangerous. How about 99.9%? Neither 99% or 99.9% are great odds for something that everyone pretty much will get. Different people calculate their own odds differently, being fit, healthy, and not very old I wasn't worried... but a lot of the population (majority I'm sure) are not very fit AND healthy AND young. I have friends who flew space shuttles, similar fatality rate... great gig but their pucker factor was waaaaay up there on game day. What would the vaxx rate be if people had to pay, out of their own pocket, for these shots??? I surmise that it would be much, much lower. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3339984)
Until you get very sick with Covid, you are on your own as far as treatment goes.
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Originally Posted by Drum
(Post 3340497)
Not true in Florida.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3340530)
Because they decided to ignore federal guidelines.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3340530)
Because they decided to ignore federal guidelines.
How's Vermont doing again?? New York? Massachusetts? We lead nation in treatment. People coming here all the time to get access. Miami mayor just caught in a lie too. He said majority of those going to the clinics were unvaccinated. Oops. Not so fast. They were actually jabbed. IVM works, it has everywhere it's used. It just doesn't make $$$$ So they came up with Pfizer mectin. Same stuff, it really is just 15x more $$$$ Thus why we call it the scamdemic |
Originally Posted by Drum
(Post 3340872)
IVM works, it has everywhere it's used. It just doesn't make $$$$
So they came up with Pfizer mectin. Same stuff, it really is just 15x more $$$$ Of course you won’t be able to explain it. Instead you will tell me that ‘the information is readily available’ and that I should look it up myself. Then you will deflect to some other unrelated subject. |
Originally Posted by ClncClarence
(Post 3340957)
Hey Dr. Drum…can you explain to the class how Ivermectin (antiparasitic, more specifically an antinematode) and Paxlovid (protease inhibitor) are the same thing? They’re a completely different class of pharmaceutical with a completely different mechanism of action.
Of course you won’t be able to explain it. Instead you will tell me that ‘the information is readily available’ and that I should look it up myself. Then you will deflect to some other unrelated subject. |
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