Reserve & the MD-88/90 LGA issue. Advice?
02-18-2017, 07:42 PM
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Reserve & the MD-88/90 LGA issue. Advice?
I'm a brand new MD88B, sitting reserve in NYC. I'll be done commuting after the June conversion, but in the meantime I'm trying to work out crash pads/commuting to NYC (from MSP).
Does anyone have any idea what effect the new MD-88/LGA rules will have on MD88 NYC reserve scheduling the next couple of months?
Will I be deadheaded to ATL trips? or is the flying just being shifted to JFK and EWR? Or to other planes?Will I be sitting around unused?
Specifically, I'm trying to figure out whether I should contract for a crash pad (or not), and if so which airport I should be closest to. This is all new to me. Thanks for any and all feedback you can give me!
Does anyone have any idea what effect the new MD-88/LGA rules will have on MD88 NYC reserve scheduling the next couple of months?
Will I be deadheaded to ATL trips? or is the flying just being shifted to JFK and EWR? Or to other planes?Will I be sitting around unused?
Specifically, I'm trying to figure out whether I should contract for a crash pad (or not), and if so which airport I should be closest to. This is all new to me. Thanks for any and all feedback you can give me!
02-19-2017, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bentwookie
I'm a brand new MD88B, sitting reserve in NYC. I'll be done commuting after the June conversion, but in the meantime I'm trying to work out crash pads/commuting to NYC (from MSP).
Does anyone have any idea what effect the new MD-88/LGA rules will have on MD88 NYC reserve scheduling the next couple of months?
Will I be deadheaded to ATL trips? or is the flying just being shifted to JFK and EWR? Or to other planes?Will I be sitting around unused?
Specifically, I'm trying to figure out whether I should contract for a crash pad (or not), and if so which airport I should be closest to. This is all new to me. Thanks for any and all feedback you can give me!
Does anyone have any idea what effect the new MD-88/LGA rules will have on MD88 NYC reserve scheduling the next couple of months?
Will I be deadheaded to ATL trips? or is the flying just being shifted to JFK and EWR? Or to other planes?Will I be sitting around unused?
Specifically, I'm trying to figure out whether I should contract for a crash pad (or not), and if so which airport I should be closest to. This is all new to me. Thanks for any and all feedback you can give me!
It is possible to sit long call at home, but not advisable from MSP. There will almost certainly be a "witching hour" in the evening where you won't be able to make it to base within 12 hours. You will frequently get a short call assignment (or a trip) on your first on call day which will force you to come to NYC anyways. An option to look out for: front end deadheads to start a trip. If you see a trip in open time that matches your days of availability, you could put in a yellow slip to try and grab the one that works best for you. A trip with a front end deadhead might make it more convenient to just deviate directly to the first operating city (once in a blue moon it might even be MSP) and then start the trip from there.
Suggestions: once you're comfortable with all your fleet stuff and the OE guide, look up the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the DAL.alpa.org It has a bunch of gouge on how to enter slip requests, deadhead deviations, reserve obligations, etc.
NYC specifically I would just get a crashpad in Kew Gardens for a few months. It's located centrally between JFK and LGA. On the rare occasion that you get an advanced notice EWR trip just head out there the night before and Priceline a hotel. There is no such thing as a crashpad that is convenient to all 3, which is why most people end up in Kew. The 90 is still operating from LGA so you will have LGA trips, not to mention they may schedule a deadhead from there. LGA trips are not going away for the 88 category, they are just being reduced.
For transportation you have the airporter (approx $16) between JFK/LGA and it offers connections in Manhattan to EWR. You may save a couple bucks (and add a lot of headache) by taking public transit, except at rush hour when the train is the fastest way to EWR. Uber is most expensive but useful in a pinch. Typically $30 from JFK to LGA. Kew cab or general taxi is a little cheaper but not as prompt on demand, in my experience.
Good luck and have fun. You will hear horror stories about NYC and the expense involved but it's not that big of a deal with the right mindset.
02-19-2017, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
NYC is a unique animal. The short answer is probably all of the above. Not sure of your background, but reserves are basically there to plug holes that pop up at the last minute. As a new pilot, on probation, still learning the contract/bidding system I would just plan to be in NYC on your reserve days. If you only have to do 3 months, it will dramatically reduce your stress level if you don't try to commute to reserve.
It is possible to sit long call at home, but not advisable from MSP. There will almost certainly be a "witching hour" in the evening where you won't be able to make it to base within 12 hours. You will frequently get a short call assignment (or a trip) on your first on call day which will force you to come to NYC anyways. An option to look out for: front end deadheads to start a trip. If you see a trip in open time that matches your days of availability, you could put in a yellow slip to try and grab the one that works best for you. A trip with a front end deadhead might make it more convenient to just deviate directly to the first operating city (once in a blue moon it might even be MSP) and then start the trip from there.
Suggestions: once you're comfortable with all your fleet stuff and the OE guide, look up the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the DAL.alpa.org It has a bunch of gouge on how to enter slip requests, deadhead deviations, reserve obligations, etc.
NYC specifically I would just get a crashpad in Kew Gardens for a few months. It's located centrally between JFK and LGA. On the rare occasion that you get an advanced notice EWR trip just head out there the night before and Priceline a hotel. There is no such thing as a crashpad that is convenient to all 3, which is why most people end up in Kew. The 90 is still operating from LGA so you will have LGA trips, not to mention they may schedule a deadhead from there. LGA trips are not going away for the 88 category, they are just being reduced.
For transportation you have the airporter (approx $16) between JFK/LGA and it offers connections in Manhattan to EWR. You may save a couple bucks (and add a lot of headache) by taking public transit, except at rush hour when the train is the fastest way to EWR. Uber is most expensive but useful in a pinch. Typically $30 from JFK to LGA. Kew cab or general taxi is a little cheaper but not as prompt on demand, in my experience.
Good luck and have fun. You will hear horror stories about NYC and the expense involved but it's not that big of a deal with the right mindset.
It is possible to sit long call at home, but not advisable from MSP. There will almost certainly be a "witching hour" in the evening where you won't be able to make it to base within 12 hours. You will frequently get a short call assignment (or a trip) on your first on call day which will force you to come to NYC anyways. An option to look out for: front end deadheads to start a trip. If you see a trip in open time that matches your days of availability, you could put in a yellow slip to try and grab the one that works best for you. A trip with a front end deadhead might make it more convenient to just deviate directly to the first operating city (once in a blue moon it might even be MSP) and then start the trip from there.
Suggestions: once you're comfortable with all your fleet stuff and the OE guide, look up the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the DAL.alpa.org It has a bunch of gouge on how to enter slip requests, deadhead deviations, reserve obligations, etc.
NYC specifically I would just get a crashpad in Kew Gardens for a few months. It's located centrally between JFK and LGA. On the rare occasion that you get an advanced notice EWR trip just head out there the night before and Priceline a hotel. There is no such thing as a crashpad that is convenient to all 3, which is why most people end up in Kew. The 90 is still operating from LGA so you will have LGA trips, not to mention they may schedule a deadhead from there. LGA trips are not going away for the 88 category, they are just being reduced.
For transportation you have the airporter (approx $16) between JFK/LGA and it offers connections in Manhattan to EWR. You may save a couple bucks (and add a lot of headache) by taking public transit, except at rush hour when the train is the fastest way to EWR. Uber is most expensive but useful in a pinch. Typically $30 from JFK to LGA. Kew cab or general taxi is a little cheaper but not as prompt on demand, in my experience.
Good luck and have fun. You will hear horror stories about NYC and the expense involved but it's not that big of a deal with the right mindset.
02-19-2017, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
NYC is a unique animal. The short answer is probably all of the above. Not sure of your background, but reserves are basically there to plug holes that pop up at the last minute. As a new pilot, on probation, still learning the contract/bidding system I would just plan to be in NYC on your reserve days. If you only have to do 3 months, it will dramatically reduce your stress level if you don't try to commute to reserve.
It is possible to sit long call at home, but not advisable from MSP. There will almost certainly be a "witching hour" in the evening where you won't be able to make it to base within 12 hours. You will frequently get a short call assignment (or a trip) on your first on call day which will force you to come to NYC anyways. An option to look out for: front end deadheads to start a trip. If you see a trip in open time that matches your days of availability, you could put in a yellow slip to try and grab the one that works best for you. A trip with a front end deadhead might make it more convenient to just deviate directly to the first operating city (once in a blue moon it might even be MSP) and then start the trip from there.
Suggestions: once you're comfortable with all your fleet stuff and the OE guide, look up the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the DAL.alpa.org It has a bunch of gouge on how to enter slip requests, deadhead deviations, reserve obligations, etc.
NYC specifically I would just get a crashpad in Kew Gardens for a few months. It's located centrally between JFK and LGA. On the rare occasion that you get an advanced notice EWR trip just head out there the night before and Priceline a hotel. There is no such thing as a crashpad that is convenient to all 3, which is why most people end up in Kew. The 90 is still operating from LGA so you will have LGA trips, not to mention they may schedule a deadhead from there. LGA trips are not going away for the 88 category, they are just being reduced.
For transportation you have the airporter (approx $16) between JFK/LGA and it offers connections in Manhattan to EWR. You may save a couple bucks (and add a lot of headache) by taking public transit, except at rush hour when the train is the fastest way to EWR. Uber is most expensive but useful in a pinch. Typically $30 from JFK to LGA. Kew cab or general taxi is a little cheaper but not as prompt on demand, in my experience.
Good luck and have fun. You will hear horror stories about NYC and the expense involved but it's not that big of a deal with the right mindset.
It is possible to sit long call at home, but not advisable from MSP. There will almost certainly be a "witching hour" in the evening where you won't be able to make it to base within 12 hours. You will frequently get a short call assignment (or a trip) on your first on call day which will force you to come to NYC anyways. An option to look out for: front end deadheads to start a trip. If you see a trip in open time that matches your days of availability, you could put in a yellow slip to try and grab the one that works best for you. A trip with a front end deadhead might make it more convenient to just deviate directly to the first operating city (once in a blue moon it might even be MSP) and then start the trip from there.
Suggestions: once you're comfortable with all your fleet stuff and the OE guide, look up the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the DAL.alpa.org It has a bunch of gouge on how to enter slip requests, deadhead deviations, reserve obligations, etc.
NYC specifically I would just get a crashpad in Kew Gardens for a few months. It's located centrally between JFK and LGA. On the rare occasion that you get an advanced notice EWR trip just head out there the night before and Priceline a hotel. There is no such thing as a crashpad that is convenient to all 3, which is why most people end up in Kew. The 90 is still operating from LGA so you will have LGA trips, not to mention they may schedule a deadhead from there. LGA trips are not going away for the 88 category, they are just being reduced.
For transportation you have the airporter (approx $16) between JFK/LGA and it offers connections in Manhattan to EWR. You may save a couple bucks (and add a lot of headache) by taking public transit, except at rush hour when the train is the fastest way to EWR. Uber is most expensive but useful in a pinch. Typically $30 from JFK to LGA. Kew cab or general taxi is a little cheaper but not as prompt on demand, in my experience.
Good luck and have fun. You will hear horror stories about NYC and the expense involved but it's not that big of a deal with the right mindset.
02-26-2017, 02:45 PM
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Thanks for some of that information. I head up there in a few months myself. Does the airporter go between LGA-JFK or does is go from Kew Gardens to LGA and Kew Gardens to JFK? Although getting from one airport to another is useful in some circumstances, I'll need to get to and from a crash pad in kew gardens.
Any recommendations on crashpads in Kew Gardens? I'm looking for a two bed per room setup where I might be up there for extended periods and will need to do laundry on site.
Thanks all!!
Fly2002
Any recommendations on crashpads in Kew Gardens? I'm looking for a two bed per room setup where I might be up there for extended periods and will need to do laundry on site.
Thanks all!!
Fly2002
02-28-2017, 09:39 AM
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Superb gouge post on NYC. A couple of notes on transportation between airports:
the NYC base new hire guide has the basics of how to get from A to B, whatever A and B happen to be in the NYC base.
Also, the Kew Cab is $20 flat fee from LGA to JFK. If you happen to commute in with another pilot of FA, split it for a $10 flat fare to JFK. Super easy and cheap when those planets line up. I think the phone number is 718-846-6666 and they only pick up when called. Upstairs outside of the security exit from terminal D from LGA. Don't know how it works from JFK but I'm sure I'll find out before long.
The NYC-EWR schlep isn't too bad on public transportation. 2 hours long but relatively straightforward. I used google maps on public transportation mode. The worst parts are pulling luggage up the stairs and through the cheese graters.
Edit: the Kew Cab vs Kew Runner thing blew my mind. Fixed. Kew Cab is direct, Kew Runner is cheaper but via Kew Gardens (i.e. takes a good bit longer).
the NYC base new hire guide has the basics of how to get from A to B, whatever A and B happen to be in the NYC base.
Also, the Kew Cab is $20 flat fee from LGA to JFK. If you happen to commute in with another pilot of FA, split it for a $10 flat fare to JFK. Super easy and cheap when those planets line up. I think the phone number is 718-846-6666 and they only pick up when called. Upstairs outside of the security exit from terminal D from LGA. Don't know how it works from JFK but I'm sure I'll find out before long.
The NYC-EWR schlep isn't too bad on public transportation. 2 hours long but relatively straightforward. I used google maps on public transportation mode. The worst parts are pulling luggage up the stairs and through the cheese graters.
Edit: the Kew Cab vs Kew Runner thing blew my mind. Fixed. Kew Cab is direct, Kew Runner is cheaper but via Kew Gardens (i.e. takes a good bit longer).
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