And where do the Malone guys fit in?

How much money has dpa collected??? And if it's not representing it's members why are they not giving back the money? How much money is in the kitty? And where did the donations go?

Just curious how that works since it's not an official union or another way of saying it, it never took off...?? Anyone else wonder about this?

Nope never once wondered about it, I'm just thankful DPA was here to oversee and keep ALPA on their toes during the contract. Say as you want but the pressure from DPA helped get us this contract. Besides I'm really sick of the pathetic way DALPA has done business in the last decade...

Nope. Somebody handed you the wrong envelope.

Saying DPA helped us get a contract is like saying a flight attendant asking 5 times, "Did you call the hotel yet?" gets the van there sooner.

DPA was funded by donations not mandatory payroll deductions, I don't think any contributors are looking for a refund check. Did Hillary return all her donations after she lost?

DPA helped expose the way ALPA does business, and organized a portion of the pilot group to do something about it. DPA wasn't directly negotiating with the company so in that regard they had nothing to do with the contract; but to bury your head in the sand and pretend they didn't influence pilots to take a stand is preposterous. Exactly who started the orange campaign which was then adopted by ALPA?

You were not here for a lot of the DPA saga. One of the very first things they pledged was to shut down on 31 Dec 2010 if they did not have enough votes for a election. The reason they gave was that to present a divided pilot group to management during negotiations would reduce our leverage and result in a sub par contract.
They ignored their own promise when they failed to get the required cards.
Failing in that pledge they put out a series of often bizarre communications highlighted by the abortion letter. Many of those letters were quickly pulled down because they were so factually wrong. If DPA had even been within a country mile of the ill effects of contract 2012 you would not even be on the property as there would have been no hiring.
If you fly with any former NWA pilots ask them about the DPA founder and some of the things he did prior to the merger. It might be enlighting.
As far as the donations they don't need to be returned but there should be a full accounting of where the money went and is going. There are rumors that might be problematic.

Hmmm, I've been here since 1985, I think I was here for all the ALPA saga as well....

He didn't quote you....and everything Sailing mentioned was factual.

There should be an accounting of the money received, in the spirit of transparency.

You quoted me but went off on a complete tangent. What you wrote about TC and DPA pre-merger may be true but had nothing to do with my post.

I made 2 points:

1: You agree the donations shouldn't be returned, which is why I quoted snowdawg in the 1st place as he stated they should be. I didn't say anything about their accounting; however, I would agree with you on that point. TC wanted accountability regarding ALPA's money, I think DPA should do the same.

2: I disagree with Karnak regarding DPA not having any influence over the most recent TA which you didn't mention at all. Ignoring facts that don't fit your agenda don't make them go away.