Category freeze is broken, but you add the remaining seat lock time to your new lock. The only way to shed seat lock time is through mandatory displacement.

Example: you have 9 months lock left on 767 when you are awarded A350. Your 350 lock will be 2 years 9 months from date of award. Same if you are 1st time upgrade to break a lock. You take the remaining lock time with you.

Crewdawg,

Those are the definitions of category freeze, I agree, however no where in there does it say that you take your freeze with you if you bid into a new category. The only place I can see that you take your freeze with you is if you have a freeze and bid your first Captain position. There is a lot of stuff for the new hire freeze and switching bases and I will admit I didn't even read it, but for all pilots it would appear that when the company starts a new category you do not accrue additional freeze other than the amount for the training in that category.

Again reference please. I've spent more time than I should looking for it and it's not in the category freeze section of the contract.

It's in section 22 in the definitions section. No mention of comulative freezes in that case.
“Category freeze” means a period of time a. that is determined under Section 22 G., b. that commences on the date of a pilot's award of an AE or VD for which qualification training is required or on an entry level pilot's date of employment with the Company as a pilot, and c. during which the pilot will (unless declared eligible by the Company) be ineligible to be awarded another AE with an earliest conversion date falling within the freeze period (other than to a new or reestablished category) for which qualification training is required.

I asked Crew Resources awhile back and they said no cumulative seat lock for new categories.

22.A.7.c. “Category freeze” means a period of time...during which the pilot will (unless declared eligible by the Company) be ineligible to be awarded another AE with an earliest conversion date falling within the freeze period (other than to a new or reestablished category) for which qualification training is required.

2.A.166 defines "new or reestablished category" as a category that has not been in existence for 60 days since the date of the first opportunity for the first conversion."

So, yes, you would be eligible to bid and you will incur a 24 month category freeze from the date of your AE award but there is no "tacking on" of an existing freeze unlike a first-time Captain bid.

Also, to address a previous discussion, under 22.F.6, a Voluntary Displacement is treated as a Mandatory Displacement for category freeze purposes (i.e., a current freeze does not make you ineleigible to be awarded the VD but, unlike a Mandatory Displacement, 22.G.1/22.G.3 would apply such that you will incur a committment commensurate with any required training for your new category.

Actually not the case (even if the A350 is your first Captain position).

If you are awarded an AE to the A350, regardless of how much time you have left on your 7ER category freeze, 22.G.1 applies and you will only incur a 24 month category freeze from the date of the A350 AE award. You would not have a 33 month freeze as you described above.

Copy all, misunderstood your question. I was unaware of this, good to know.

Oops. Looks like I owe you guys a beer. The only 'add on' freeze is going from FO to Capt 1st time in an established category.

So theoretically you could have just trained in another plane a few months ago and had a training freeze. You then go to the A350 and get get out of that since it is a new 2 year freeze on the next AE. (Or is it a 1 year freeze if you're already on the Airbus?). Then when the C-Series comes out in the Fall AE you could bid off that freeze and get a 2 year freeze for the new category there. Then...a couple months into that decide to get a your first Captain bid and get out that freeze to go be a new Captain? Does that sound right? I'm just asking out of curiosity. I would never want that much training time in ATL. Or would you even go to training if the training was scheduled after you got the AE awards?