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Originally Posted by weasil (Post 2366166)

It may be to do with FAR 121.436 requiring 1000 hrs SIC in part 121 operations to be a Captain. Mil guys wont have this.

Correct although mil guys can apply 500 hours to this requirement as outlined in 121436(a)(3.)

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Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 2366123)

Kinda confirmed again. 12,9xx friend just heard from CR about NYC 717A. Didn't have the hours.

Sooooo funny...LAX 717A is going to 2000 hires. A little different out here in the West. Guess I shouldn't be worried about being displaced.

Baja.

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Originally Posted by Bleeds On (Post 2366151)

FOM 20.6.1, black line indicating the revision. It doesn't outright prohibit the upgrade, though. Not finding any other references or limitations.

Thanks I'll look.

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Originally Posted by Bleeds On (Post 2366151)

FOM 20.6.1, black line indicating the revision. It doesn't outright prohibit the upgrade, though. Not finding any other references or limitations.

14 CFR 121.436(a)(3) would be the FAR reference. It requires a minimum of 1,000 hours SIC in Air Carrier operations prior to being able to act as a PIC. 14 CFR 121.436 (c) allows military pilots who operated multiengine fixed-wing turbine aircraft requiring more than one pilot (aka, non pointy-nose aircraft) to deduct 1 hour of military PIC for 1 hour of the 1,000 SIC, up to 500 hours.

The bigger question is, where under our current contract, is language saying they can deny you an in-seniority AE award and not have to pay you for it? Seems they could/should pay-protect you (and possibly buy you trips) until you hit your 1000 SIC but I am not sure there is language in the PWA that specifically addresses this known issue. (Of course, the company knew this was going to be/could be an issue after the pre-TA Sept AE when the 4 month wonder was awarded the M88A yet they left it alone).

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Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2366175)

Thanks I'll look.

The way I read it, doesn't apply to being awarded captain. Just like mentioned before, longer training and OE footprint.

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Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2366183)

The way I read it, doesn't apply to being awarded captain. Just like mentioned before, longer training and OE footprint.

You are correct. The FAR 121.436 (a)(3) establishes the minimum time requirement. The initial post said 1000 hours or 500 Delta hours.
Someone was confusing the FAR requirements and/or the new FOM provision.

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Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 2366122)

Can mil guys use 500 hrs towards this 1000 hr requirement? Or is it only 1000 hrs of -121 ops?

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Only multi crew heavy time counts....think t1/mc12 or bigger.

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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2366182)

I don't think it's a question at all. If it's the 1k 121 you shouldn't be pay protected because you can't legally hold the seat. If it's for this all the sudden made up delta time then absolutely you should be protected.

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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2366182)

I have to give credit where credit is due I actually met and spoke to the most junior Captain. I can tell you he knows his stuff and he busted his butt.
He went through the entire training footprint without a hick up, delay or additional sim.

He was very well prepared. He has done better than some who came off different aircraft or who have been here longer.

That being said, those junior pilots who put in a bid for the 88A and are not on the 88, will have their hands full and the training department won't cut them any slack.

Let's see how this all shakes out.

In the olden days they had a similar problem with the 880, they just junior manned it.:eek: