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notEnuf 09-07-2017 07:14 AM

International up 22.1%
 
Aeromexico updates on traffic

Look who's international expansion is going great. 22.1% YOY. Good for them. :rolleyes:


https://seekingalpha.com/news/329415...pdates-traffic

Aeromexico, El Al Israel Airlines launch codeshare | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline

AeroMexico replaces Delta on Guadalajara ? Salt Lake City route from 1Q18 :: Routesonline

Viking busdvr 09-07-2017 07:32 AM

Sailing will be here shortly to explain to all us simpletons why this is GREAT NEWS for Delta and Delta pilots! If only we were bright enough to understand....

notEnuf 09-07-2017 07:53 AM

BTW, GOL is getting new 737maxs with increased range to do FL to Brazil routes.

http://ri.voegol.com.br/download_arq...3-0EED4761C4C8

GogglesPisano 09-07-2017 08:32 AM

Good thing we didn't take the bait when DALPA tried to "monetize" our PS.

FlyZ 09-07-2017 02:46 PM

I resigned myself awhile ago to being a narrowbody guy for most of my DAL career. Now I'm starting to wonder if I'll even be flying outside the CONUS in ten years.

WhiskeyDelta 09-07-2017 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 2426805)
I resigned myself awhile ago to being a narrowbody guy for most of my DAL career. Now I'm starting to wonder if I'll even be flying outside the CONUS in ten years.


What an unbelievable defeatist attitude.

Dharma 09-08-2017 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2426560)
Good thing we didn't take the bait when DALPA tried to "monetize" our PS.

Can you help me out and explain the connection here, and give an example so that I can pass on the logic to those I fly with?

The "no monetization" framework I see is that with outsourcing, our level of higher paying international flying, and the associated salaries decline (the numerator in the individual PS equation), while the total salary pool of eligible salaries (the denominator) shrinks slightly less, but the profit stays the same, assuming just a transfer of flying (no growth). That's just slightly less PS for us, maybe not enough to notice.

With monetization, .... (here's where you explain or correct the above, please).

GogglesPisano 09-08-2017 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Dharma (Post 2427324)
Can you help me out and explain the connection here, and give an example so that I can pass on the logic to those I fly with?

The "no monetization" framework I see is that with outsourcing, our level of higher paying international flying, and the associated salaries decline (the numerator in the individual PS equation), while the total salary pool of eligible salaries (the denominator) shrinks slightly less, but the profit stays the same, assuming just a transfer of flying (no growth). That's just slightly less PS for us, maybe not enough to notice.

With monetization, .... (here's where you explain or correct the above, please).

... our pay rates go up but our profit sharing payout goes down (assuming the pilots' share of the pie remains constant.) As we become more of an narrowbody airline it would have been a net negative for the majority of pilots.

There's reason there was a backlash against this.

Trip7 09-08-2017 01:56 PM

We have a bunch of 350s, and 330neos coming. Pilot with 10 months seniority holds NYC765B, 1.5 years holds DTW330B and 2.5 years holds LAX777B. Even the DTW350B went significantly more junior than anyone thought. I just don't see the "we're a narrowbody airline" angst. Things are really going to get rolling when the new international terminal in Seattle opens giving Delta the capacity to revitalize the Pacific Network.

BobZ 09-08-2017 02:10 PM

without 'monitization' ps remains and will always be in addition to pay rates.

paid as equity holders in the business.

with 'monitization', ps is absorbed into pay rates, likely to never be reestablished. and wages are always paid as labor, with no equity position in the business.

pay rates can evaporate with the stroke of a pen. with no 'automatic' recovery resulting from improving economic performance.

idk why the benefit of this arrangement is any longer a point of debate.


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