ImTumbleweed

In the "Critical Ops Updates" emails from the company they mention "double 23K recovery flying".

It states (paraphrasing) that the company can issue a "weather waiver" for certain airports which means if a pilot is released from his/her rotation they can be reassigned to fly (even after being released) if their rotation touches that airport.

It states the date this was effective is Jan 1, 2017.

Was this gem of a "bad deal" inserted into our last contract or has it always been there.

Just curious.

Herkflyr

Your paraphrasing was misleading and inaccurate. They cannot reschedule you if you are released....bur they can if they remove you from your original recovery flying. It is an important distinction. More importantly that is what the contractual language states.

Example: me, in this current IROPS. I showed up and found out that due to IROPS my original ATL-ELP was canceled. I was reassigned ATL-MIA. I eventually flew exactly that, after a lengthy delay. For awhile it looked like the ATL-MIA flight would cancel as well, due to the IROPS havoc. Had it canceled crew tracking could have reassigned me to yet another recovery flight, but only due to the provision we are discussing, where the company issued travel waivers.

That is entirely reasonable to me. It gives the company necessary flexibility when weather and the like causes huge disruptions, while not allowing the company to jerk individual pilots around just due to mechanical issues (as an example) for one particular flight. In that case they get only one opportunity for recovery flying.

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notEnuf

A simple yes is the answer.

Yes, you can be double rerouted. Yes, its a C2016 concession.

Imapilot2

Isnt there a limit to this? As a reserve with 3 days left I was given a three day. Today, last day of three on my trip, rerouted into my day off. Which I understand they can do. But I thought it was to complete my original trip? Not to just add additional flying ......they added a whole extra day of flying with multiple legs in and out of a hub. As if it was a reserve day and not an off day? what the hell.....? Pay sheet says its for free and just part of my reserve guarantee on top of loosing my time to get my christmas tree tomorrow.

Herkflyr

A simple yes would be wrong because the question was phrased "can you be rerouted after being *released*" .The answer to that would be NO.

That's not what the contract issue is here. There is a whole lot of difference between being "released" and "original recovery flying canceled, but immediately replaced by other recovery flying", amidst hundreds of ongoing cancelations.

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notEnuf

There wasn't a single question mark in the post. But...

"Was this gem of a "bad deal" inserted into our last contract or has it always been there."

YES, it was inserted in C2016. And NO, it wasn't always there. And YES, you can be double rerouted. And No, you will not be released.

Plan for a 16 hour FDP with your reroute(s) coming sometime between hours 1 and 14 (or table limit for report time) This would be including an extension, 2 hours less sans extention.

Herkflyr

Precise language matters when it comes to the contract, and casual message board posts that are wrong do nothing for the pilot group.

The OP may not have had a "question mark" but by his own words he (wrongly) "paraphrased" the company's email by stating "if a pilot is released from his/her rotation they can be reassigned to fly (even after being released) if their rotation touches that airport." There is no such animal. If you are released, you are released and the company can't touch you for ten hours minimum.

The issue is, "IF the company has IROPS so severe that they are issuing travel waivers, AND you have been removed from a recovery rotation, they can assign a second one." Additionally they would have to pay you single pay and credit for the first trip, as well as single pay/no credit for the second recovery rotation.

Again the example I give is that I was getting close to that scenario last night. My first leg canceled, and my recovery flying almost canceled. If that had happened they may have found yet another flight for me, which would have come under these particular rules (ATL all chaotic and all).

It does NOT exist "just because." The company is in a critical ops mode. If you call that a concession, fair enough. I don't.

Now I'm off to bed to "recover" from the IROPS yesterday.

Han Solo

Scheduling is busy and the very first thing to drop off their plates is making sure pilots are properly paid. You should get assignment pay of single pay above guarantee for the work you do on your off day and you should get a payback day over your next RES day. You might even be entitled to reroute pay. I'd wait until things settle down this weekend and try calling CS. If you don't like their answer call ALPA.

sailingfun

You can be rerouted as many times as the company sees fit. There was no change in this. The change was if your original rotation is canceled prior to departure of the first leg you could only be given 1 replacement rotation. Under the new contract if that rotation were to than cancel you can be assigned a second rotation. This must occur within the same timeline always used in the past. 6 hours after your originally scheduled report. Rotations awarded this way are coded with a P in trip coverage as replacement flying.
To summarize the change only deals with a situation where the first leg of your rotation is canceled. They used to get only 1 shot at assigning replacement flying unless it was to DH to resume your original rotation. Now they get two if passengers are allowed to rebook without penalty. If you are already out on a rotation they can reroute you without a limit.

notEnuf

Since it negatively impacts our QOL compared to the previous contract...

YES, I call it a concession. What do you call it? Did you see any error in my post of what you are on the hook for during IROPS? It's a lot more than it used to be.

Sleep well, I'm sure you do/will need it.