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gloopy 01-12-2018 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 2501025)
Having been forced to do them at NW, I can say that are not something that I want to do, for any pay. No vote from me.
That's why they should only be allowed in hard lines of time. No one can get a line unless they bid it. Any unbid lines (extremely unlikely) would dump all of them into open time and any reserve assigned one, once blocked in, would be off until 10AM the following morning.

notEnuf 01-12-2018 05:50 PM
My guess is these would give the FRB quite a workout. I’m not doing them. I won’t do red-eyes either. If someone else wants them, they can have them. They are unsafe. I hope we don’t add risk to our operations. That early morning non-rev flight might get a second look, I don’t want to be on those flights. WOCL disruption and sleep cycle adaptation have been linked to senility and other cognitive issues. It’s not worth it.

aa73 01-13-2018 07:41 AM
It sounds like the APA BOD will probably vote No on the Calendar day/LOS deal on 1/16. There is an uproar about what we are giving the company in exchange (basically, giving the company the green light to continue to assign trips/RAs at their discretion instead of abiding by the JCBA. There is also forgiveness for 50% of all existing grievances.)

Basically we get industry leading 5:15 Average Calendar Day, sit time and night override, and Full LOS for all our furloughed folks including retro. However in exchange we give the company what I posted above.

Thoughts?

CBreezy 01-13-2018 08:43 AM
Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2501800)
It sounds like the APA BOD will probably vote No on the Calendar day/LOS deal on 1/16. There is an uproar about what we are giving the company in exchange (basically, giving the company the green light to continue to assign trips/RAs at their discretion instead of abiding by the JCBA. There is also forgiveness for 50% of all existing grievances.)

Basically we get industry leading 5:15 Average Calendar Day, sit time and night override, and Full LOS for all our furloughed folks including retro. However in exchange we give the company what I posted above.

Thoughts?
Just a thought, but I wouldn't call 5:15 average "industry leading." Maybe industry standard but then I don't know what United gets.

mainlineAF 01-13-2018 08:50 AM
Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2501848)
Just a thought, but I wouldn't call 5:15 average "industry leading." Maybe industry standard but then I don't know what United gets.


AA has other rigs that UAL and DAL do not. I believe they are a night rig and a sit time rig.

So yea, the APA will be voting down industry leading rigs.

mainlineAF 01-13-2018 08:51 AM
Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2501800)
It sounds like the APA BOD will probably vote No on the Calendar day/LOS deal on 1/16. There is an uproar about what we are giving the company in exchange (basically, giving the company the green light to continue to assign trips/RAs at their discretion instead of abiding by the JCBA. There is also forgiveness for 50% of all existing grievances.)



Basically we get industry leading 5:15 Average Calendar Day, sit time and night override, and Full LOS for all our furloughed folks including retro. However in exchange we give the company what I posted above.



Thoughts?


Thoughts? The APA is moronic for voting this down.

aa73 01-13-2018 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2501848)
Just a thought, but I wouldn't call 5:15 average "industry leading." Maybe industry standard but then I don't know what United gets.
Apologies, i should have clarified. Industry leading due to the sit time override we currently have and night override we would gain, on top of the 5:15 ACD.

aa73 01-13-2018 09:02 AM
Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2501854)
Thoughts? The APA is moronic for voting this down.
Agreed... wonder if some improvements were made during the waiting period.

UGBSM 01-13-2018 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by bender (Post 2500838)
Having been forced to do CDOs at my regional, I would take a 30 hour overnight everytime. I felt like a zombie the morning after a CDO. Some people love them, but....
I love all the 30 hr layovers we have on the B717! Yeah, I don't get 8 hours sleep on the inevitable early get up the day after, but hey, since I'm over 50 I don't need that much sleep anymore. 4-6 hours sleep is plenty because I can use the 30 hours to erase any previous sleep deficit (which is what the CDO's lack - 30 hours prior).


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