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03-29-2018, 12:04 PM
#501
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Originally Posted by webecheck
...Difference is, Dal has put close to 2500 on the bottom of the list in that time, while we we’ve done less than half...
I'm not refuting that UAL is a great choice for a new hire (it very much is) just that acting like there will only be X number of pilots hired for any and all reasons and then pointing to an airline that's hired more and deducting that you're losing out now isn't necessarily accurate.
03-29-2018, 04:36 PM
#503
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Originally Posted by webecheck
Spend more time in the Ua forums or cockpits and the constant questions are around how is delta hiring 1k a yr and we’re not.
As far as furlough returns not mattering, depends on the scenario. If you’re trying to assess pilot demand from growth, they absolutely do. Total pilots brought on board, minus retirements. This assumes you don’t want to look at block hours growth and pilot utilization...which is what people trying to get the mainline job don’t do. They see delta hiring 1k and UA only adding enough new hires to replace retirements, and wonder.
Word is after this summer we should really ramp up. Was supposed to already, but then mgmt decided to utilize everyone more (ie every pilot now works about 5% more). Not to mention we apparently don’t have enough staffing during the summer to train and fly.
As far as furlough returns not mattering, depends on the scenario. If you’re trying to assess pilot demand from growth, they absolutely do. Total pilots brought on board, minus retirements. This assumes you don’t want to look at block hours growth and pilot utilization...which is what people trying to get the mainline job don’t do. They see delta hiring 1k and UA only adding enough new hires to replace retirements, and wonder.
Word is after this summer we should really ramp up. Was supposed to already, but then mgmt decided to utilize everyone more (ie every pilot now works about 5% more). Not to mention we apparently don’t have enough staffing during the summer to train and fly.
As for only counting people below you not the furlough returnees, is to ‘calculate’ (i know there is no set thing for it but you can generalize) furlough protection.
03-29-2018, 06:34 PM
#504
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Originally Posted by tunes
Sorry, i meant to say i don’t think anyone over here is saying that. My guess is that Kirby is trying to hold on for some reason thinking you guys will give on RJ scope and thats why your projected numbers have never come to fruition but who knows.
As for only counting people below you not the furlough returnees, is to ‘calculate’ (i know there is no set thing for it but you can generalize) furlough protection.
As for only counting people below you not the furlough returnees, is to ‘calculate’ (i know there is no set thing for it but you can generalize) furlough protection.
In the current ual scenario vice dal, the big losers are the bottom reserves at ual junior bases. Those guys are seeing reserve for a year+ now, as opposed to junior dal guys who can get a line fairly immediately with a smart selection at indoc. Ual 2015 was the same, but in mid 2016 we started the bulk of our furlough returns and efficiency movement.
03-30-2018, 03:33 AM
#505
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Originally Posted by ExAF
Both of these show the fickle fate of timing. Just to show the cyclic nature of the industry.....I was hired at the tail of the late 90s boom in '99 at NWA at 42. I'm fast approaching my new hire seniority number after over 17 years, but will may never reach it. That's right, my DAL retirement seniority number might be higher than my new hire number at NWA. I'm projected to reach 50% on the list by the end of 2020 and retire (if at 65) at 42%. Since MSP has become so senior, I might be able to hold 320A before retirement. I do not want to commute nor fly the MD-88 so I'm destined to ride it out on the 320. I'm not complaining and I'm content with my choices given the circumstances. This is just to remind the audience of the cyclical nature of the business. Timing is definitely a huge factor that has to be considered if you have options between the majors. One man's trash is definitely another's treasure.
