Old topic, but NAVBLUE Web App stinks!!!!!
 

Just can't get over how bad(and how much worse this is than the 7 year old desktop version we used. I read how the DTW guys officially raised a lot of complaints at the MEC level and they were basically told to "shut up and color"Really think they need to start over and get something that is not so slow, tedious, and prone to lots of mistakes and frustrations
My major issues are how long it takes to do the same work on desktop. Here are just some of my complaints

-Scrolling sucks. Disapearing scroll bar and up/down arrows. Two finger scrolling on a touchpad is infuriating and often results in errors.

-Application times you out after 10 minutes or so. You can lose a lot of work if you're interrupted and you didn't save or submit your bid

-Can't have a pairings or bid screen up and have a popup box with trips displayed to easily review, then bid each trip.

-Each "award trip" selection makes you "okay" the trip you just selected.

-You must check, then uncheck EVERY trip you "award" for your bid!

-the dropdown menu on the right for pairing selection(and other things) isn't intuitive as to where to check, make selections, deselect etc. And its so close to the edge of the screen that any off center click or scroll opens up a windows menu!!!

And yes, I sent an email to the PBS committee detailing these complaints and he only really addressed a few of them. I also called 2 different "leaders" of the committee and they never called back.
I'm sure this ship has sailed, just thought I'd vent after again getting frustrated with last night's bid work.

Thoughts???

I just quit using it. I use the old interface...not as good as desktop version, but better than the new one. They kind of omitted the fact it still exists when the new url was published. dalpbs.navblue.aero

I don't bother with it... the old interface isn't going away any time soon, and I know how to use that quite well. :cool:

I still use Easy Bid and find it superior to both. It is worth the small monthly fee not to use NavBlue. I'm sure when I upgrade to Capt, I will no longer find the small fee reasonable and begin using the free bidding software. :D

I'm with you 100%. The new interface is absolute garbage.

Considering their "big improvement" was having it scroll twice as many rotations as before, I'd say the guys in charge of this are absolutely clueless as to what makes a good, usable interface. They obviously don't use it themselves.

Completely agree. Bring back the desktop version!
If the DTW guys said something about this, I owe them a beer. Emailing ATL reps about this.

But you will also become lazy with the awarding of that 4th stripe and thus faced with the age-old Captain's dilemma...go with "free" or go with "easy." 😁

I've never used anything but easybid and it's not working, awaiting an update. I'm SOL if it doesn't work.

I'm not sure what the consternation is all about. I use this ...

https://dalpbs.navblue.aero/cbw/info.phtml

It looks just like the interface we used up until a year ago when we had to use some other interface. But no we can use this again.

Now it doesn't ask me to sync everytime I log on. As a matter of fact it keeps me logged on. This is the desktop version, correct?

No the discussion is about the old Windows-only desktop program, that was an alternative option to the "legacy" website that you just hyperlinked. The desktop app was discontinued by NavBlue when the web app was created.

Contrary to the other opinions on this thread, I was not a fan of the desktop app. I felt there were serious limitations. Obviously others disagree.

I do think that the web app has improved a lot, but needs further improvement.

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Sure, the NAVBLUE interface is a little clunky, but it is light years ahead of iCrew. There is a constant effort to update, refine, and inform the pilot group about NAVBLUE, yet I have not heard of a single rumor of iCrew getting fixed. I interact with it a lot more than NAVBLUE and I believe iCrew affects my schedule just as much.

Question: Is the website you listed above going away? If so, when?

Denny

No idea. Probably 3 months before I realize it.

If/when it goes away..........I'm gonna be in a world of hurt.....

Denny

I got the NAVBLUES
 

For anyone that still uses Easybid, the update so you can send bids should be up by March 7 2018 2100 est or thereabouts. Cheers.

Just another reason to bid reserve :).

How about a grassroots petition to send to the 4th floor? It seems to me that complaints like this are better dealt with by management than by ALPA. I have a feeling a petition of 10,000 signatures might get their attention.

And all we have to give up in exchange is another 4% of our WB flying...

"They" are enamored of the product. I think if you NEED 30+ instructional videos its too complex and not intuitive enough. I've asked questions and simply been told how wonderful it is. They rave about the product and tell me what a great thing web based apps are. I doubt you will see changes absent a strike. If you haven't started learning it you may have difficulty inputting "I want MUC on Wed." OFG

Im probably in the minority but minus the scrolling and the unchecking of already bid trips: I really think its an ok bidding interface.

I get what I bid and so far I have not been burned. I don't use it offline or with the surface. I use my MacBook.

TEN

AZ on the PBS Committee sure extols the virtues of the product but it just keeps falling short every time I use it.

It would be really nice if Nav Blew bought out EZBid with the intent to keep the intuitive (and simple) EZBid interface and merely fix a few of the more intricate modeling shortfalls that EZBid has.

Not gonna happen but a guy can dream. 😁

AZ has been useless and condescending in my opinion. The product stinks. He can't take any criticism. My 1.9% votes to get a user friendly system.

The Web UI isn’t slated to be phased out is it? I find it simple and works well enough and a great work-around of the Web App. The Web app is just plain horrific and the PBS committee would do well to remember that they work for the pilot group rather than keep telling us we are “not using it right” when it is an abysmal product. In no other industry (except maybe a govt application) would this have made it past beta testing.

Love the old legacy website. Maybe not as powerful as the newfangled one but it is much easier to use. Hopefully we will continue to have a choice.

Agreed. He has responded to me as well as JB I believe and they are very defensive and take it personally. Its a POS in my opinion

When the PBS committee has to publish an 8 page notepad on just how to scroll, the problem is with the product not the user.

If they put a quarter of the effort that went into the new FA uniforms, we'd have an improvement.

Does anyone know if there is a direct feedback channel to the PBS developers ? This would eliminate personal bias of a handful of airline union reps. I really don't understand what is the motivation to what appears to be a personal bias related to current interface design and usability.
It would be nice to get some intelligent feedback from those at the developer side as to what is possible or not under the current web app paradigm.

I literally have no problem using the new interface. Sure, I would like to see it improved, but generally get everything I want.

Touchscreen scrolling on my PC no longer works with NavBlue. That functionality was killed off a few months ago for me.

I would think if you volunteered to do work for the PBS Committee you would get an opportunity to interact with the right people at some point.

I can certainly manage while rolling my eyes, but there is a lot to be desired for high altitude views of the rotations like one could quickly do in the PHP server side application, and no "scroll for more"...........
imo it's a great 1.0 version built obviously without enough enduser feedback in it's beta development but whatever

This is very helpful; thank you.

Is it that hard to use the desktop version. WGLLT.*?

Or are laptops extinct?

*Works Good Lasts Long Time

Submit a PBS bid inquiry and ask that your ideas be passed along to the developers. The guys that answer that are guys/gals, just like you and really have no "bias" about it. They just took some time to learn the system so they can help the line pilots.

[QUOTE=GogglesPisano;2740530]Is it that hard to use the desktop version. WGLLT.*?

Or are laptops extinct?

My 7 year old granddaughter asked to see my Delta only windows laptop. Promptly swiped and gestured all over the screen. Handed it right back to me and said, “It’s broke”.

Just as helpful as someone complaining about it or saying they've never even used it.

Am working on my Feb bid now and it's as infuriating as ever. The worst is actually viewing trips and then adding them to your bid. Its a 4 or 5 step process for me. Viewing the trips takes several steps, and then you have to come out of the "Show pairing report" screen if you want to "add" a trip to your bid. Then when you add a trip, you have to "okay it" EVERYTIME by clicking a box, then you have to deselect that trip and select another one. Then "okay" that one. After that, then I go to the "Show pairing report" but I must first deselect the previous trip and reselect the rest of them and then select "Show pairing report" pages. Then the whole "add bid" process starts again. Very painful and time consuming and a massive step back from the previous "desktop version" Why do we accept this POS??? And yes, I made phone calls and sent emails.

Rant over.

I use the grey version. It still works and I find it slightly less frustrating than the WebApp piece of trash.

Easybid, Easybid, Easybid!