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04-25-2018, 07:40 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by gloopy
If you're surrendering because you don't think we have no leverage then fine. But their table positions are absolutely disgusting. If that's how poor our Section 1 is, then fine, that's on us, and it means we need far better lawyers on our end. It may be something that has to be taken all the way through mediation, perhaps even including a temporary PEB.
What is the difference between today and when those deals were negotiated? Why can't we duplicate some sort of upside participation? What's the missing element we need now in order to protect our future careers?
04-26-2018, 06:46 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,909
A while ago, people were talking about low hanging fruit for C2019. As I learn more about scope and contemplate future arrangements with AM and Korean, I have realized that I have all the fruit I need.
With over two decades to go, I'm happy to sit in this current contract as long as it takes to lock in some favorable upside protection. My hunch is that the mean and median "years remaining" is rising fast and an increasing majority have the patience we'll need to do C2019 right.
With over two decades to go, I'm happy to sit in this current contract as long as it takes to lock in some favorable upside protection. My hunch is that the mean and median "years remaining" is rising fast and an increasing majority have the patience we'll need to do C2019 right.
04-26-2018, 07:49 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,641
At some point, the Section E restrictions (like the 40% max codeshare) will be a nusance and burden to the company for JVs.
I hope we can explain, convince, pursuade, and incentivize the company to work with the pilots for mutually beneficial long term success. We just want to protect our jobs and not be outsourced. We are willing to work with partners, so long as the relationship isnt lop-sided towards them. That is a reasonable position.
Obviously (and thankfully) the pilot group is aware of JVs that could be unequal growth. This is an issue that is solvable.
I hope we can explain, convince, pursuade, and incentivize the company to work with the pilots for mutually beneficial long term success. We just want to protect our jobs and not be outsourced. We are willing to work with partners, so long as the relationship isnt lop-sided towards them. That is a reasonable position.
Obviously (and thankfully) the pilot group is aware of JVs that could be unequal growth. This is an issue that is solvable.
04-26-2018, 01:55 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,459
Originally Posted by Planetrain
Obviously (and thankfully) the pilot group is aware of JVs that could be unequal growth. This is an issue that is solvable.
05-02-2018, 01:48 PM
#25
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Originally Posted by contrails
Fortunately, that push appears to have ended a few months ago.
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