Originally Posted by 3 green
(Post 2578198)
Nice! Another way they can do well, is by doing assignments instead of greenslips. With the assignments, they get double pay and don't have to reach the greenslip trigger. I'm sure they already have that figured out. It looks like they can make some serious money until they correct the staffing issue. So many tricks and tactics to make money that I'm sure they will figure out going forward.
Until the other base starts putting in OBWSs! |
Originally Posted by 3 green
(Post 2578198)
Nice! Another way they can do well, is by doing assignments instead of greenslips. With the assignments, they get double pay and don't have to reach the greenslip trigger. I'm sure they already have that figured out. It looks like they can make some serious money until they correct the staffing issue. So many tricks and tactics to make money that I'm sure they will figure out going forward.
Also, scheduling has to start at the most junior pilot and work up when getting into IAs, versus starting at the most senior guy and working down, as is the case with GS. |
Underwhelming A350???
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2578314)
The issue there is, an IA, by definition is something that you DON'T want to do, at least officially. Scheduling is literally reaching out and contacting you on days off when you had no request in to fly. For every guy getting an IA who is happy about it (due to double pay regardless of green slip trigger), there is no doubt another who is furious because he had important plans that were wrecked due to the inverse assignment.
Also, scheduling has to start at the most junior pilot and work up when getting into IAs, versus starting at the most senior guy and working down, as is the case with GS. I’m not DL but they really can’t force you to fly on your day off. Scheduling: “Hey billy we need you to show in 4 hours for departure. We know it’s your day off, but sorry” Billy: “sorry, I’m 8 hours from base on vacation” What are they going to do? If you’re not on reserve who is currently on duty they can’t make you come in. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2578314)
For every guy getting an IA who is happy about it (due to double pay regardless of green slip trigger), there is no doubt another who is furious because he had important plans that were wrecked due to the inverse assignment.
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
(Post 2578327)
I’m not DL but they really can’t force you to fly on your day off.
Scheduling: “Hey billy we need you to show in 4 hours for departure. We know it’s your day off, but sorry” Billy: “sorry, I’m 8 hours from base on vacation” What are they going to do? If you’re not on reserve who is currently on duty they can’t make you come in. To be fair that is rare and now with "robocalls" often IAs are announced via robocalls that guys listen to on their voice mail. But the gate agent scenario I just posted is contractually legal and HAS happened here. Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 2578224)
You’re not being obstinate.....I asked the same question. I was told by crew resources that they also have to bypass people senior. I don’t see that in the contract though........
22.E.13.b contains the following "Exception" with regard to bypass of training: "The Company may not bypass a pilot within two years of the date he reaches the regulatory age limit for pilots unless the Company has bypassed all pilots holding an AE to the same category with: (1) the same award date; (2) the same training requirements; and (3) earlier normal retirement dates." As previously stated, seniority does not factor in. The issue arises based upon what retirement date (if any) the company uses to establish a training bypass for that AE award. First off, this bypass exception only applies to the same category (i.e., NYC7ERA which means you do not look at Captains who were awarded the 7ER to ATL, DTW, MSP, etc), same award date (bypass exception only applies to that AE award, you do not look at a prior or subsequent AE award) and the same training requirements which means, for example using the DTW350A category, that an A330 Capt awarded the 350 may be sent to training (conversion course) while a 7ER Capt awarded the 350 (who would need a full AQP qual course) could be bypassed even though the 7ER Capt. has a sheduled retirement date later than the 330 Capt. Lots of variables to consider when looking at who gets bypassed. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2578314)
The issue there is, an IA, by definition is something that you DON'T want to do, at least officially. Scheduling is literally reaching out and contacting you on days off when you had no request in to fly. For every guy getting an IA who is happy about it (due to double pay regardless of green slip trigger), there is no doubt another who is furious because he had important plans that were wrecked due to the inverse assignment.
Also, scheduling has to start at the most junior pilot and work up when getting into IAs, versus starting at the most senior guy and working down, as is the case with GS. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2578338)
All it takes is for the gate agent to meet the airplane on the last leg of the previous trip. "Guess what? We've got an offer you can't refuse. See you tomorrow when you check in."
To be fair that is rare and now with "robocalls" often IAs are announced via robocalls that guys listen to on their voice mail. But the gate agent scenario I just posted is contractually legal and HAS happened here. Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Yea true but an extension is different and not possible to get out of. I was referring to a cold call on an off day saying you need to come in and fly. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2578314)
The issue there is, an IA, by definition is something that you DON'T want to do, at least officially. Scheduling is literally reaching out and contacting you on days off when you had no request in to fly. For every guy getting an IA who is happy about it (due to double pay regardless of green slip trigger), there is no doubt another who is furious because he had important plans that were wrecked due to the inverse assignment.
Also, scheduling has to start at the most junior pilot and work up when getting into IAs, versus starting at the most senior guy and working down, as is the case with GS. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2577688)
I don’t think passengers would have liked being on the training flights. Multiple touch and goes tend to annoy them not to mention single engine work ect...
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