SWA vs Delta
05-07-2018 | 05:00 PM
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Swa may (and probably will) order another fleet type during your career. That being said - as a 737 pilot, the thought of spending a few decades in the cockpit of a 737 is not let’s say..... ideal...
More of a knock on Boeing than SWA, but that is the reality.
More of a knock on Boeing than SWA, but that is the reality.
05-07-2018 | 05:10 PM
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I would assume the average narrow body SW pilot makes more than an average narrow body DL pilot, but not leagues better. Some guys will never fly widebodys because of domicile, seniority, opportunity, etc. Payrates are close at 737, where 320/717/MD88/CS1 is lower, only ER and future NEO are greater domestic. Work rules governing min pay are much better at SW = more days off and/or more $ per duty period. SW pilots fly more per duty period. Retirement is the same. Profit sharing better at DL but not that far from each other. Medical much better at SW. Vacation better at SW. Premium pay is similar though easier to acquire at SW. SW greater schedule flexibility. Better RSV at Delta. SW has best scope in the industry. Both companies are low debt high profit.
05-07-2018 | 05:34 PM
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I would assume the average narrow body SW pilot makes more than an average narrow body DL pilot, but not leagues better. Some guys will never fly widebodys because of domicile, seniority, opportunity, etc. Payrates are close at 737, where 320/717/MD88/CS1 is lower, only ER and future NEO are greater domestic. Work rules governing min pay are much better at SW = more days off and/or more $ per duty period. SW pilots fly more per duty period. Retirement is the same. Profit sharing better at DL but not that far from each other. Medical much better at SW. Vacation better at SW. Premium pay is similar though easier to acquire at SW. SW greater schedule flexibility. Better RSV at Delta. SW has best scope in the industry. Both companies are low debt high profit.
05-07-2018 | 05:44 PM
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I would assume the average narrow body SW pilot makes more than an average narrow body DL pilot, but not leagues better. Some guys will never fly widebodys because of domicile, seniority, opportunity, etc. Payrates are close at 737, where 320/717/MD88/CS1 is lower, only ER and future NEO are greater domestic. Work rules governing min pay are much better at SW = more days off and/or more $ per duty period. SW pilots fly more per duty period. Retirement is the same. Profit sharing better at DL but not that far from each other. Medical much better at SW. Vacation better at SW. Premium pay is similar though easier to acquire at SW. SW greater schedule flexibility. Better RSV at Delta. SW has best scope in the industry. Both companies are low debt high profit.
If you look at the rate tables on this site, only the 717 and C series are lower than SWA for CA positions and it's very close. C series is ahead for first 4 years and behind only slightly afterwards. 737 pay rates are around 7% off in DLs favor. The FO pay at SWA only beats DL on the 717, C series, and MD-88 and only for year 5 and beyond (DL is higher prior to that).
Do even know what the DL profit sharing and retirement are? I don't think they're even close.
05-07-2018 | 06:54 PM
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14.2% and 11.3% this past year. 15% DC in Jan and our PS would prob be on par if we had like 700 RJ’s bringing in $ without having to pay them any of the PS pie.
I’m just glad UAL, DL and AA are negotiating CBA’s ahead of us this go around. Hopefully we’ll be able to use pattern bargaining in our favor this go around.
I’m just glad UAL, DL and AA are negotiating CBA’s ahead of us this go around. Hopefully we’ll be able to use pattern bargaining in our favor this go around.
05-07-2018 | 07:02 PM
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14.2% and 11.3% this past year. 15% DC in Jan and our PS would prob be on par if we had like 700 RJ’s bringing in $ without having to pay them any of the PS pie.
I’m just glad UAL, DL and AA are negotiating CBA’s ahead of us this go around. Hopefully we’ll be able to use pattern bargaining in our favor this go around.
I’m just glad UAL, DL and AA are negotiating CBA’s ahead of us this go around. Hopefully we’ll be able to use pattern bargaining in our favor this go around.
05-07-2018 | 08:39 PM
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No doubt. I’m sure the big wigs would rather subcontract out more as it’s less in wages, benefits, etc they have to pay out at the mainline level. Wish everyone luck in reigning scope back in....shouldn’t have ever given it up to begin with. But that’s a argument for another day.
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