Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2591161)

You misunderstand,

This in not against the union at all. In fact it is the opposite. I fully support the union and the collective bargaining agreement that was membership ratified....You know , the one that has allowed us to fly back vacation and swap with the pot above ALV+15. It has been the status quo (because it has been in effect since around PBS intro....so a lot of years) for a long, long time.

So, if the membership wants to tweak provisions that materially effects bidding seniority, I have no problem....just allow at least 2 years prior to implementation so I can bid to a category that pays much more hourly because my category super seniority will be worth much less.

I'm always thankful that there is a way for me to easily dump a trip on the swap board when there isn't reserve coverage, as well as the ability to pick a trip up


The bit about the union is in reference to bygone era's (stories from my dad) where the employees would go down to the union hall and get all spooled up and then take a strike vote based on emotion and beer....you know...kinda like the mindless drivel and angst about the union "studying", "exploring" ways to increase retirement income and then it gets bastardized into something unrecognizable here on the forum. My union would be negligent NOT to at least explore opportunities for more and present them to us in an impartial manner.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2591572)

It’s the same amount of work you’d have in any 80 hour month

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2591606)

As with most PWA issues there are trade-offs. I bet some of the guys who were recently displaced from various categories might have a different philosophy about some guys flying 90+ hours each month. :cool:

Then again many Pilots can't seem to see a connection between these two issues.

Scoop

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2591666)

True, except you've basically nullified your vacation. Guess that's no a huge deal since the vacation "week" is usually only 4 days but still.

Let's get rid of all work rules and FAR's for that matter, and let the go-getters fly to whatever "IMSAFE" standards they want, for great success.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2591626)

Or they see the correlation and acknowledge that it s already baked in due to long standing status quo

It appears that the naive pilot that bids the very bottom of the list to try to increase hits revenue, and then wants to change the rules, is complicit in trying to gore someone else's ox to line their pocket(who's being greedy now)?

It is only the new hire that is at the bottom of a category list thru no fault of their own....all(mostly) other have chosen their poison.

Scoop, I know, I know....the union needs to protect us from ourselves. Let's start with 12 hours bottle to throttle! Slippery slope, isn't it? I mean that would be for the good of all pilots wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 2591702)

All the guys finding ways to crank out way over max pick up, I sure hope aren’t also complaining about slow upgrades!