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07-13-2018 | 12:41 PM

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A 319 to 220 is a pay cut. Not to mention a 319 pilot also gets to fly 321 so there is more money for that pilot to make in general. But 220 rates are not above 319/320.

Imho I wish we had acquired 319neos. Probably would have been here by now. But oh well.

Ummmmmm.....think it is only a paycut if the 319/320 got parked. Otherwise it is a pay increase b/c it is one xtra aircraft (that pays more than a B717 nonetheless).

07-13-2018 | 12:43 PM

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Still doesn't make it a paycut, and WE (pilots) do not order jets.

Okay it pays less? How about that?

You want your LGBp, I want my 319neos, neither is happening. But oh well.

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07-13-2018 | 01:25 PM

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Okay it pays less? How about that?

You want your LGBp, I want my 319neos, neither is happening. But oh well.

The big difference is that we could negotiate LGBP, we cannot force the company to buy 319s.

07-13-2018 | 02:03 PM

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You know times are good when pilots are complaining about the type of new jobs their airline is adding.

07-13-2018 | 04:36 PM

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Most of the C series jets are earmarked as RJ replacements. A321’s and 737’s are the mad dog replacements. Seems like the pay goes up everywhere.

Bovine scatology. Tell that to the Displaced ATL Maddog drivers with ZERO 321/737 seats opened up in ATL.

07-13-2018 | 05:21 PM

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You know times are good when pilots are complaining about the type of new jobs their airline is adding.

Lol. exactly. Could be a lot worse. Bringing mainline flying back to mainline with small jets. Not the end of the world. I like what we are doing. Would of course like to see some adds on the WB side, but this is going the right direction.

07-13-2018 | 05:33 PM

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Bovine scatology. Tell that to the Displaced ATL Maddog drivers with ZERO 321/737 seats opened up in ATL.

If they’re being displaced, there doesn’t need to be open positions offered on the bid. If they are senior enough to hold it, they can bump someone out. I know what you’re saying though, it would have been nice to make room for the excess guys like they did in MSP but some of those ATL guys are so junior, I don’t think they can offer enough A320, 717, and 737 A positions to help the MD88A’s stay in the left seat.

It was only a little over 2 years ago that a 16 year pilot could hold A320 Captain in NYC.

07-13-2018 | 05:50 PM

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Bovine scatology. Tell that to the Displaced ATL Maddog drivers with ZERO 321/737 seats opened up in ATL.

People forget that when the NYC and CVG Md88 categories closed, ATL gained a bunch of 88 seats without losing anything else. ATL is headed back to equilibrium for the amount of flying at the base. I suspect in future bids you will see 320/73N seats to replace the mad dog seats.

07-13-2018 | 10:57 PM

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Okay it pays less? How about that?

You want your LGBp, I want my 319neos, neither is happening. But oh well.

Pretty sure the ever popular A319NEO was never really in the mix of the 110 seat RFP. The options were the Jumbo Junglejet 190 or the CanaBus. Network keeps calling it an RJ replacement, so mainline growth not replacement. I get your argument about upgauging to a higher pay rate. I'm sure there will be a big chunk of the 125 orders converted to the -300 series, which is 319 territory. But I also understand the rationale of the A220-300 being a superior airplane to the A319NEO, and we got it for a great price.

If it wasn't going to be the A220, which would you prefer: A319NEO or 737-MAX7? 737 has the higher pay rate...

07-14-2018 | 03:33 AM

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Bovine scatology. Tell that to the Displaced ATL Maddog drivers with ZERO 321/737 seats opened up in ATL.

No disrespect but just because no seats opened in the center of the universe doesn’t make it not true. On this bid they open roughly the same number of 73/320 positions as displaced MD positions, it is about 13 crews less. There are 50 A positions between those two fleets opening in ATL the rest spread around the system. The company has repeatedly stated the 73/320 are the mad dog replacements.

Yes it sucks when your base is has more displacements than openings those of us outside of ATL have watched this for years in our bases. Those of us in former North bases have lost well over a thousand seats between MEM, MSP, and DTW. Also look at CVG. I am hoping this is the beginning of spreading the love around a bit more (source is Council 1LEC email to members numbers I have are my best recollection of email)