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Excargodog 07-12-2018 05:28 AM

Delta cutting back flying
 
From the WSJ:

BUSINESS EARNINGS
Delta to Trim Flights as Fuel Prices Rise
Higher costs are weighing on airlines after a record stretch of profits
By Alison Sider
Updated July 12, 2018 9:02 a.m. ET
Delta Air Lines Inc. said higher fuel costs are cutting into profit even as demand for air travel grows.

Delta beat earnings forecasts on Thursday as record revenue helped offset a $578 million higher fuel bill than in the second quarter of last year. But the No. 2 U.S. carrier by traffic said those rising fuel costs will weigh on profit for the rest of this year. Delta said its fuel bill in 2018 would be $2 billion higher than last year.

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iahflyr 07-12-2018 05:43 AM

From Bastian...
"a reduction of 50-100 bps of underperforming capacity from our fall schedule"

I wonder how this will affect hiring.

vyperdriver 07-12-2018 06:05 AM

Well my DFW ro NYC commute just got harder.

ERflyer 07-12-2018 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2633066)
From Bastian...
"a reduction of 50-100 bps of underperforming capacity from our fall schedule"

I wonder how this will affect hiring.

What’s bps?

Mesabah 07-12-2018 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 2633088)
What’s bps?

basis point, so 1% = 100 bps. So, a reduction of .5-1% of flying.

Buckeyes 07-12-2018 06:32 AM

Highest revenue in Delta’s history.

Trip7 07-12-2018 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 2633081)
Well my DFW ro NYC commute just got harder.

From what I'm hearing it's highly like DFW-LGA will be up-gauged to A220 from RJs

crazyjaydawg 07-12-2018 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2633066)
From Bastian...
"a reduction of 50-100 bps of underperforming capacity from our fall schedule"

I wonder how this will affect hiring.


It was later clarified that this is an adjustment of 50-100 bps down from the expected growth of 125-150 bps. So look at a very modest growth to flat YoY in the second half.

Sounds like so far strong demand is keeping pace by supporting higher revenues to partially offset the higher fuel prices.

Mesabah 07-12-2018 07:39 AM

Fuel prices are being driven higher for political reasons, they will dump after the Nov election.

GucciBoy 07-12-2018 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2633181)
Fuel prices are being driven higher for political reasons, they will dump after the Nov election.



Is this driven by the Illuminati or the Freemasons?


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ShyGuy 07-12-2018 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2633181)
Fuel prices are being driven higher for political reasons, they will dump after the Nov election.

Which Nov election? ;)

FL370esq 07-12-2018 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2633189)
Is this driven by the Illuminati or the Freemasons?

Rothschilds and Bilderberg. 😄

Bainite 07-12-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2633189)
Is this driven by the Illuminati or the Freemasons?


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The Pentaverate of course!
https://youtu.be/FveBzGMD6zw

JamesBond 07-12-2018 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2633189)
Is this driven by the Illuminati or the Freemasons?


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muh Russia

iahflyr 07-12-2018 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2633181)
Fuel prices are being driven higher for political reasons, they will dump after the Nov election.

Some people just can’t turn off Fox News

crewdawg 07-12-2018 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2633324)
Some people just can’t turn off Fox News

You could just cut out the word Fox. 24 hour "news" channels are more entertainment than news....all of them.

Anyway, I thought I read somewhere that said were now only projecting 3% growth instead of 4%.

Delta2heavy 07-12-2018 10:20 AM

The sky is literally falling, no one should bid widebodies or captain slots, especially if you are senior. Hold on to what you have people, too risky

Mesabah 07-12-2018 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2633208)
muh Russia

muh Iran, the entire run up is due to the market not believing the Suadi's can absorb their capacity.

gloopy 07-12-2018 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2633357)
muh Iran, the entire run up is due to the market not believing the Suadi's can absorb their capacity.

That's part of it, but a larger part IMO is the OPEC cartel's long standing war on our domestic production. They know they can't stop us, but they can and they do try to slow us by crashing prices by dumping capacity to cause us to pull back and then tighten up to absorb high prices and transfer lots of wealth from us to them until the next cycle. Wash rinse repeat.

Its a war they can't win, but they'll take some victories in battles here or there to buy them some time.

JamesBond 07-12-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2633362)
That's part of it, but a larger part IMO is the OPEC cartel's long standing war on our domestic production. They know they can't stop us, but they can and they do try to slow us by crashing prices by dumping capacity to cause us to pull back and then tighten up to absorb high prices and transfer lots of wealth from us to them until the next cycle. Wash rinse repeat.

Its a war they can't win, but they'll take some victories in battles here or there to buy them some time.

this^^^^^^^^^^

Mesabah 07-12-2018 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2633362)
That's part of it, but a larger part IMO is the OPEC cartel's long standing war on our domestic production. They know they can't stop us, but they can and they do try to slow us by crashing prices by dumping capacity to cause us to pull back and then tighten up to absorb high prices and transfer lots of wealth from us to them until the next cycle. Wash rinse repeat.

Its a war they can't win, but they'll take some victories in battles here or there to buy them some time.

In the past yes, but this cycle is due to impending sanctions, which, after Congress flips, will be off the table.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-rouhani-trump

The Saudi's need to pump 12.5m/bbl, when their record is 10.7m.

Viking busdvr 07-12-2018 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2633383)
In the past yes, but this cycle is due to impending sanctions, which, after Congress flips, will be off the table.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-rouhani-trump

The Saudi's need to pump 12.5m/bbl, when their record is 10.7m.


So you’re saying it’s going to be like this at least for another 10 years. If only those “Democratic” Socialists would take over!! They’d straighten them out!!

Excargodog 07-12-2018 12:10 PM

Time to empty ANWR.

The polar bears don't need oil underneath them.

Hrkdrivr 07-12-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2633454)
Time to empty ANWR.

The polar bears don't need oil underneath them.

And in the winter they like the heat radiating off the evil pipeline!

forgot to bid 07-13-2018 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 2633081)
Well my DFW ro NYC commute just got harder.


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2633127)
From what I'm hearing it's highly like DFW-LGA will be up-gauged to A220 from RJs

Actually right now the A319 is doing the DFW-LGA. I did it just two or three weeks ago.

So if the Eh220 does it then capacity is cut 17%, jumpseats cut 50% and pilot pay cut 5%.

But the Canadian homers not employed at this airline are giddy. Or they were until the name changed this week.

JamesBond 07-13-2018 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2633854)
Actually right now the A319 is doing the DFW-LGA. I did it just two or three weeks ago.

So if the Eh220 does it then capacity is cut 17%, jumpseats cut 50% and pilot pay cut 5%.

But the Canadian homers not employed at this airline are giddy. Or they were until the name changed this week.

It is not a paycut. Sorry. It just isn't.

CBreezy 07-13-2018 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2633854)
Actually right now the A319 is doing the DFW-LGA. I did it just two or three weeks ago.

So if the Eh220 does it then capacity is cut 17%, jumpseats cut 50% and pilot pay cut 5%.

But the Canadian homers not employed at this airline are giddy. Or they were until the name changed this week.

That isn't how math works. Just because you did it once doesn't mean every leg is an Airbus.

I took 15 seconds to look, and today, 5 of 7 flights are RJs. So, according to your backwards math, if they do replace the RJs, that's a 31% increase in seats, nearly a 100% increase on 5 daily flights and 5-10 additional Jumpseats.

firstmob 07-13-2018 07:03 AM

S19 we will have 4 INC flights how many will KE have?

full of luv 07-13-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2633189)
Is this driven by the Illuminati or the Freemasons?


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The Hapsburg’s are secretly planning a resurgence.

forgot to bid 07-13-2018 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2633939)
That isn't how math works. Just because you did it once doesn't mean every leg is an Airbus.

I took 15 seconds to look, and today, 5 of 7 flights are RJs. So, according to your backwards math, if they do replace the RJs, that's a 31% increase in seats, nearly a 100% increase on 5 daily flights and 5-10 additional Jumpseats.

2 are 319s are they not?

forgot to bid 07-13-2018 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2633900)
It is not a paycut. Sorry. It just isn't.

A 319 to 220 is a pay cut. Not to mention a 319 pilot also gets to fly 321 so there is more money for that pilot to make in general. But 220 rates are not above 319/320.

Imho I wish we had acquired 319neos. Probably would have been here by now. But oh well.

JamesBond 07-13-2018 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2634060)
A 319 to 220 is a pay cut. Not to mention a 319 pilot also gets to fly 321 so there is more money for that pilot to make in general. But 220 rates are not above 319/320.

Imho I wish we had acquired 319neos. Probably would have been here by now. But oh well.

Oh, OK. I didn't know that when a route changed airplanes that the pilots had to stay om that route and fly whatever airplane now does it.. In that case you ate 100% correct. But please simplify it for me. Which pilots took a paycut again?

You should be out there with yuge banners promoting longevity pay

badflaps 07-13-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2634091)
Oh, OK. I didn't know that when a route changed airplanes that the pilots had to stay om that route and fly whatever airplane now does it.. In that case you ate 100% correct. But please simplify it for me. Which pilots took a paycut again?

You should be out there with yuge banners promoting longevity pay

Right through the heart, no mercy.:D

forgot to bid 07-13-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2634091)
Oh, OK. I didn't know that when a route changed airplanes that the pilots had to stay om that route and fly whatever airplane now does it.. In that case you ate 100% correct. But please simplify it for me. Which pilots took a paycut again?

You should be out there with yuge banners promoting longevity pay

I'm saying we would have been better ordering 75 of the higher paying jet. Especially for the commuters, it can carry 2 extra butts.

But to go down your tangent, if you pull 777 out of nyc (example) and replace it with 330 is that not a pay cut for those pilots?

And I dont mind holding your LGBP banner with you but I'm pretty sure random people will just stop and say "I am so proud of you guys!"

JamesBond 07-13-2018 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2634104)
I'm saying we would have been better ordering the higher paying jet.

But to go down your tangent, if you pull 777 out of nyc (example) and replace it with 330 is that not a pay cut for those pilots?

Only if they bid the 330. and it was not my tangent. You are making a ridiculous argument. So let me ask you this then: When the ALV is reduced, is that a paycut?

forgot to bid 07-13-2018 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2634110)
Only if they bid the 330. and it was not my tangent. You are making a ridiculous argument. So let me ask you this then: When the ALV is reduced, is that a paycut?

75 higher paying jets for near the same capacity. That's my argument.

sailingfun 07-13-2018 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2634115)
75 higher paying jets for near the same capacity. That's my argument.

Most of the C series jets are earmarked as RJ replacements. A321’s and 737’s are the mad dog replacements. Seems like the pay goes up everywhere.

tomgoodman 07-13-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2634056)
The Hapsburg’s are secretly planning a resurgence.

Don’t let a Hapsburg give you any lip. :p

JamesBond 07-13-2018 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2634115)
75 higher paying jets for near the same capacity. That's my argument.

Still doesn't make it a paycut, and WE (pilots) do not order jets.

JamesBond 07-13-2018 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2634145)
Most of the C series jets are earmarked as RJ replacements. A321’s and 737’s are the mad dog replacements. Seems like the pay goes up everywhere.

That's a weak argument as well. At best it is extremely short sighted.


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