Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2668581)

No, I don’t feel there is a chance. The company will feel this will cause a increase in sick calls.

Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 2668663)

Actually, there is a chance. It was discussed in the last negotiations. A segment of the MEC was opposed to it due to the fact that there would be a drop down box where you would have to click “cold, flu, other etc” indicating the reason for the sick call.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2668584)

Been here 32 years. Never had a sick call questioned or been transferred to the duty pilot.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2668584)

I am surprised you did not put a full report on here.

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2668685)

We know, and all your FCRs are handled in a satisfactory manner with free dinner for the entire crew and a free night's stay on your next family vacation.



And I'm not surprised you continue to be such a management mouthpiece.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2668703)

I am not surprised you seem to have constant problems at Delta. When I look back at the first 5 years of my career at Delta I only wish I had all the terrible issues you have. For a guy flying as a Captain after a 2 or 3 years at Delta making 250K plus your life sure does suck here. Have you considered any other options?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2668743)

"Say it ain't so". Han has that attitude after a whopping 3 years at Ma Delta?
Puts things in context!!!!

Oh wait, I forgot, what diff does it make how long somebody has been here....their opinion is valuable ....... ...Damn it!!!!!

Riiight 😏. Read it here on the forum, so it must be gospel

If true re: Han's circumstances, thanks for the bigger picture....hey "you hear about the guy that won a 10 million dollar lottery? ...he was ****ed....****ed because the week before it was 20 million and he got screwed"

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2668577)

Except that's not how it works. You forgot the part where you can be on hold for 5 minutes under normal circumstances to 3+ hours during an IROP. I've also been transferred to speak to the duty pilot to explain why I can't fly my rotation. This from a pilot who has never used more than 40 hours in a year. The company pressures pilots to fly sick, it needs to end.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2668421)

How about let's fix that part of the contract? There will always be the weaker willed.

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2668685)

We know, and all your FCRs are handled in a satisfactory manner with free dinner for the entire crew and a free night's stay on your next family vacation.



And I'm not surprised you continue to be such a management mouthpiece.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2668703)

I am not surprised you seem to have constant problems at Delta. When I look back at the first 5 years of my career at Delta I only wish I had all the terrible issues you have. For a guy flying as a Captain after a 2 or 3 years at Delta making 250K plus your life sure does suck here. Have you considered any other options?

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2668855)

I'm flying in a position that's so great that 11,000 pilots in front of me said "no-thanks", what's your point? I've never lied about an anecdote I've brought up here and I'm not special, if it has happened to me it has happened to others. I'm just a random person who called CS and for some reason had to explain myself to the duty pilot. CS doesn't know if I'm the company's #1 problem child or a 5 time chairman's club member. Pilot assist is new and the PSC didn't used to be manned 24/7, I've held 3+ hours trying to call CS. *shrug* I've never complained about what I earn or expressed regret over my decision to work for Delta, but thanks for trying to put words into my mouth.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2668828)

We shouldn’t spend negotiating capital on people too scared to call in sick if they have to talk to a real human to do so. Time to put on your big boy/girl pants and use a phone.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2668932)

Can we spend negotiating capital on the option to call in sick for them? I've flown with a few pilots who should have called in, but didn't.:confused:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2668539)

This is wrong. Only looks at previous 12 months. Current month won’t count until next month when a month drops off.

Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 2668482)

So when you start October and the 24 hours have dropped off the look back and as a result you no longer have a pop up to acknowledge with your DBMS password for the October bid period and your verification status for the October bid period is shown as NONE, if you call in sick for the first trip in your example your verification status for the October bid period is going to change in the middle of the bid period to QHCP and require you to verify the subsequent sick call in the October bid period ? The amount used in the 12 previous completed bid periods haven’t changed have they?

I may be completely wrong here, but I’m having a difficult time reconciling the examples provided here with the language itself and NN 17-13. I also recall a conversation during TA2 with one of the negotiators that left me with the impression that a verification status only changes bid period to bid period because the lookback that triggers it uses only completed bid periods. That’s why the second sick call in your example wouldn’t have a different verification requirement from the first one. That first sick call in October that takes your up to the minute iCrew display over 100 hours is not a part of a completed bid period. It’s gonna get you for November unless you have more dropping off the lookback than are coming into it, but your verification status for the current bid period should be the same all bid period long.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2668975)

So you are saying if I call in sick for 25 hours in the beginning of the month and that takes me over 100 hrs sick leave and then call in well........then I subsequently call in sick for a 50 hour trip later in the month, I don't have to verify that 50 hr trip....

Denny

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2665409)

Easy fix

20% DC

Invest your DC Excess Cash as you see fit.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2669327)

I would like to see a way to tax shelter that money.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 2669347)

For you guys approaching retirement, the idea of deferring compensation 1-5 years (mentioned in the survey) might have some merit.

If you’re suggesting we cap Delta’s 16% at the 415c limit and then apply DPSP CASH towards some other plan (ie pension or annuity), I’m not in favor. That takes money that would be in your name and converts it into a promise that is no longer under your control. It would also effectively remove the “mega Backdoor Roth” strategy as a viable option.

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2669476)

We will pay you a little less so that your retirement will be a little more proved to be one giant wolf ticket.:mad:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2668975)

So you are saying if I call in sick for 25 hours in the beginning of the month and that takes me over 100 hrs sick leave and then call in well........then I subsequently call in sick for a 50 hour trip later in the month, I don't have to verify that 50 hr trip....

Denny

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2669327)

I would like to see a way to tax shelter that money.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 2669500)

^^^exactly this. Why does anyone want to repeat this experiment?

I get the desire to minimize taxes, but not at the expense of taking less now for a promise later from the company. We’ve seen how that works out.

Like trip said, max the DPSP. Max DPSP CASH, pay the taxes and invest it as you see fit.

More taxes means you’re making more money.

I don’t see anyone volunteering for a pay cut to minimize taxes. It’s the same philosophy in the other direction.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2671363)

Minimizing taxes is great if it boosts your total return. You don't want to get so laser focused on saving taxes that you end up with a lower total return just because you didn't see the big picture.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2671120)

Bumping up the DC and putting the DPSP CASH into income producing real estate will do that for you. It becomes a tax favored asset that doesn't expose you to Delta's financial risk like many of the proposed plans do. My money in my name, no promises of a future payment that may be at risk. If you are close to retirement a NQDC plan with a short term time horizon may be a risk worth taking, but anything that is longer than a few years is too risky for a majority of the pilots.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2671406)

I have passed the time where I want to be messing around with real estate. I'm just not interested in the hassles of renters, maintenance and all that stuff. If I had it to do over again, I would have bought a rental property with my ROTH IRA and had all that profit go in to my retirement account tax free (dyodd btw on that).

I don't have anywhere near enough information on these various proposals so I am not committed to any of them. I do know that my tax bill when I retire will not be significantly less than it is now, so adding to my current tax bill might not be the best plan for me. What I hope the MEC comes up with are options and not an all or nothing plan that incorporates either all of us or none of us. That would truly suck.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2671406)

I have passed the time where I want to be messing around with real estate.
The rules of the road changed 15 years ago WRT retirement. Delta has proven themselves an unreliable partner in our financial future. What you want to do may not be an option.

I'm just not interested in the hassles of renters, maintenance and all that stuff.

Ditto, but you could handle the benefits of long term passive income. This is solved through division of labor. Stick to flying airplanes and let property managers and handymen do what they are good at. Trip7 hits the nail on the head with "division of labor"


If I had it to do over again, I would have bought a rental property with my ROTH IRA and had all that profit go in to my retirement account tax free (dyodd btw on that).

Lots of DYODD required when dealing with ROTH IRA and income property

I don't have anywhere near enough information on these various proposals so I am not committed to any of them. I do know that my tax bill when I retire will not be significantly less than it is now, so adding to my current tax bill might not be the best plan for me. What I hope the MEC comes up with are options and not an all or nothing plan that incorporates either all of us or none of us. That would truly suck.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2671363)

Minimizing taxes is great if it boosts your total return. You don't want to get so laser focused on saving taxes that you end up with a lower total return just because you didn't see the big picture.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2671575)

The sad part is a lot can't see the Forrest through the trees and are doing exactly that.


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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2671652)

Is that a freudian misspelling of "forest" there?????



By the way, the saying "You cannot see the forest for the trees." In other words, don't concentrate on the minutia and forget about the big picture.



Maybe other peoples "big pictures" are different than yours...



Denny

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2671705)

There is only one Big Picture, and you get to see it after your last flight. Then they wave this ballpoint pen in front of your face, and...er...what were we talking about? :confused: