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Cogf16 09-04-2018 04:46 PM

SIAP: Drops, WS done before Swaps?
 
Can a junior guy get a trip before me on a straight WS before my Swap? There is plenty of coverage on the drop portion of my swap. Or should I drop the trip and WS the one I want? Need an answer before 2200.

Thanks

BeamMeUp 09-04-2018 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 2668312)
Can a junior guy get a trip before me on a straight WS before my Swap? There is plenty of coverage on the drop portion of my swap. Or should I drop the trip and WS the one I want? Need an answer before 2200.

Thanks

23.E.2

Requests for the following schedule alterations will be processed in the following order:
2 a. MLOA (see Section 13 D.),
3 b. IVD (See Section 23 I.),
4 c. APD (see Section 23 I.),
5 d. PD and X-day moves (see Section 23 I. and Section 12 M. 8.),
6 e. recovery slips (see Section 23 J.),
7 f. white slip (see Section 23 P.), and
8 g. swap with the pot (see Section 23 H.)

So a junior guy could pick it up on a WS if you straight swap and don’t PD and then WS it.

CBreezy 09-04-2018 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 2668312)
Can a junior guy get a trip before me on a straight WS before my Swap? There is plenty of coverage on the drop portion of my swap. Or should I drop the trip and WS the one I want? Need an answer before 2200.

Thanks

Step one: read your Contract

Cogf16 09-04-2018 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2668322)
Step one: read your Contract

Thanks for the advice:(

CBreezy 09-04-2018 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 2668323)
Thanks for the advice:(

No problem. I figured you asked a question without any effort into looking it up so I'd answer without putting any effort in either.

Denny Crane 09-04-2018 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2668322)
Step one: read your Contract


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2668335)
No problem. I figured you asked a question without any effort into looking it up so I'd answer without putting any effort in either.

You should follow the advice of my mother (and probably yours too.) And I quote: “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”

Denny

LandGreen2 09-05-2018 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2668447)
You should follow the advice of my mother (and probably yours too.) And I quote: “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”

Denny

Agree 100% Denny!

Used to be you could come to APC and ask a contact question in an effort to cross examine the contact language. 99% of the time within minutes someone would come along with an answer and maybe a "story" of how I learned from that situation. It is sad to see, what I hope is a very small percentage, of folks stifling conversations with snarky and condescending remarks. For those 99% of you out there who still offer free advice without strings attached... thank you for being classy, and humble; the kind of pilot that everyone wants to fly with!

tunes 09-05-2018 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by BeamMeUp (Post 2668321)
23.E.2

Requests for the following schedule alterations will be processed in the following order:
2 a. MLOA (see Section 13 D.),
3 b. IVD (See Section 23 I.),
4 c. APD (see Section 23 I.),
5 d. PD and X-day moves (see Section 23 I. and Section 12 M. 8.),
6 e. recovery slips (see Section 23 J.),
7 f. white slip (see Section 23 P.), and
8 g. swap with the pot (see Section 23 H.)

So a junior guy could pick it up on a WS if you straight swap and don’t PD and then WS it.

Love how our PWA pretends like MLOA is a request....

NoDeskJob 09-05-2018 08:31 AM

I have the drop/WS versus swap dilemma myself...

I think of it like this;
If I’m not crazy about the trip I have, and am willing to roll the dice and try to drop it and pick up the better trip...I do it. Knowing full well someone senior to me could be doing the same thing. Then he/she will get the trip and I will have nothing on my line.

If I kinda like my current trip, I’ll go with the “safer” swap with pot option. That way I don’t end up with nothing on my line, and I MIGHT get the better trip with the swap

sailingfun 09-05-2018 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by NoDeskJob (Post 2668705)
I have the drop/WS versus swap dilemma myself...

I think of it like this;
If I’m not crazy about the trip I have, and am willing to roll the dice and try to drop it and pick up the better trip...I do it. Knowing full well someone senior to me could be doing the same thing. Then he/she will get the trip and I will have nothing on my line.

If I kinda like my current trip, I’ll go with the “safer” swap with pot option. That way I don’t end up with nothing on my line, and I MIGHT get the better trip with the swap

You can also list your current trip as a pickup. If you don’t get the open time trip you stand a reasonable chance to get your old trip back.


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