Retirement age
10-16-2018, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Isn’t the average age of those retiring from Delta around 63? I’d say this would be helpful if a vast majority currently went to 65 but I think this only helps keep a small minority around for a short period of time. As much as Delta expects us to fly, I don’t see this as enticing too many to stick around after 65.
10-16-2018, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
When it changed to 65, everyone said the same thing. “No one will go all the way to 65!”
10-17-2018, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
I'm familiar. However, our company's own data suggests a good portion of our group doesn't make it to 65.
10-17-2018, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
If you have mandatory retirement at 65 you can apply for and receive full social security.
Originally Posted by ERflyer
If you were born between 1943-1959 it is on a scale between 66-66 and 10 months. Born 1960 and after: 67.
In other words, if your full retirement age is 67 and you wait until 70, you'll get an additional 24% in retirement benefits.
10-17-2018, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Buddy of mine who was at the Delta LCA meeting today was told by the FAA that they are looking at eliminating the retirement age and going to a cognitive test. Fly til you die, or can’t pass the physical.
ICAO retirement age has been driven by acceptable incapacitation rates. From what I've read on the subject since the age change to 65, the data for pilots over 63 or 64 has been above the acceptable incapacitation rate.
There hasn't been a peep about increasing retirement age from ICAO since Dr Anthony Evans retired a few years ago. His successor has not published anything suggesting that they're looking at changing the pilot retirement age.
AFAIK, there's no inexpensive reliable cognitive ability test out there. And early stage dementia can be missed due to the disease's sporadic appearance in the early stages.
Raising retirement age would also conflict with moving toward single pilot airliners which I see as more likely (with an available ground backup if the pilot becomes incapacitated) in the future than raising retirement age.
But the biggest reason for me to doubt this is that, if true, it would have to be one of the closest guarded secrets out there. And I doubt that such a secret could be kept for very long.
10-17-2018, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I have my doubts on this for several reasons.
ICAO retirement age has been driven by acceptable incapacitation rates. From what I've read on the subject since the age change to 65, the data for pilots over 63 or 64 has been above the acceptable incapacitation rate.
There hasn't been a peep about increasing retirement age from ICAO since Dr Anthony Evans retired a few years ago. His successor has not published anything suggesting that they're looking at changing the pilot retirement age.
AFAIK, there's no inexpensive reliable cognitive ability test out there. And early stage dementia can be missed due to the disease's sporadic appearance in the early stages.
Raising retirement age would also conflict with moving toward single pilot airliners which I see as more likely (with an available ground backup if the pilot becomes incapacitated) in the future than raising retirement age.
But the biggest reason for me to doubt this is that, if true, it would have to be one of the closest guarded secrets out there. And I doubt that such a secret could be kept for very long.
ICAO retirement age has been driven by acceptable incapacitation rates. From what I've read on the subject since the age change to 65, the data for pilots over 63 or 64 has been above the acceptable incapacitation rate.
There hasn't been a peep about increasing retirement age from ICAO since Dr Anthony Evans retired a few years ago. His successor has not published anything suggesting that they're looking at changing the pilot retirement age.
AFAIK, there's no inexpensive reliable cognitive ability test out there. And early stage dementia can be missed due to the disease's sporadic appearance in the early stages.
Raising retirement age would also conflict with moving toward single pilot airliners which I see as more likely (with an available ground backup if the pilot becomes incapacitated) in the future than raising retirement age.
But the biggest reason for me to doubt this is that, if true, it would have to be one of the closest guarded secrets out there. And I doubt that such a secret could be kept for very long.
10-17-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Buddy of mine who was at the Delta LCA meeting today was told by the FAA that they are looking at eliminating the retirement age and going to a cognitive test. Fly til you die, or can’t pass the physical.
If you want to stop working, there is no reason why you cannot do so right now. There IS no retirement anymore so all this fly till you die stuff is a bunch of crap.
10-17-2018, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
I'm familiar. However, our company's own data suggests a good portion of our group doesn't make it to 65.
It's like everything else in a group. If the age were eliminated altogether, you would have a very small number that could fly to 70 or beyond -due to health reasons-. Not one bit different than it is now. Personally I don't even think it would be noticeable.
10-17-2018, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
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Raising retirement age would also conflict with moving toward single pilot airliners which I see as more likely (with an available ground backup if the pilot becomes incapacitated) in the future than raising retirement age.
Raising retirement age would also conflict with moving toward single pilot airliners which I see as more likely (with an available ground backup if the pilot becomes incapacitated) in the future than raising retirement age.
10-17-2018, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Buddy of mine who was at the Delta LCA meeting today was told by the FAA that they are looking at eliminating the retirement age and going to a cognitive test. Fly til you die, or can’t pass the physical.
I was at that meeting. With the FAA. NOTHING about this was mentioned. Nice attempted troll. Not.
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