Did I miss a memo about nonrev travel?
12-09-2018, 05:24 PM
#41
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Oatmilk? I'll ask my millennial friends.
I never imagined we could change the policy. Just wanted to hear opinions...I'll save my views on our scheduling and pay systems for another time .
Thank you for the inputs and the discussion.
I never imagined we could change the policy. Just wanted to hear opinions...I'll save my views on our scheduling and pay systems for another time .
Thank you for the inputs and the discussion.
12-09-2018, 06:30 PM
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I totally hear where you are coming from here and I too have found it frustrating being behind non-employee standbys, especially when it is clear that they are travelling for leisure when I am trying to get to or from work. But then I think about how incensed I would be if I were a 20 or 30 year employee of the company, having gone through all the turmoil that they have, and my wife or kid got bumped off a flight by some new hire pilot.
12-09-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
I’ll start off by saying that I agree that pilots probably shouldn’t get nonrev priority. Are pilots better than any other employee? No. More important? If you are asking if we are more important in the context of getting a plane off the gate, then the answer is no. But if you are asking in the context of how difficult it is to “create” a pilot, then I say we are more important. This fact is reflected in our pay. If we are no more important than anyone else, why pay us more? Should we all get a pay cut so we are paid as much as the gate agent or lav dude? This is the attitude that is driving pilots from the Air Force in droves. Pilots aren’t better, but they have dedicated a large amount of their lives to acquire the skills and experience necessary to do the job. It doesn’t denigrate any non-pilot employee to say that pilots are a more important piece of the puzzle.
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12-09-2018, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cynicalaviator
Wait... Am I a millennial or a baby boomer?
Is it fair to assume that everybody who disagrees is in favor of a more egalitaraian society?
In any case, we can agree to disagree. And I feel compelled to state that I am not feeling superior in any way. I have done my share of more labor intensive/lower paying jobs including being an airplane mechanic and working in construction.
1) Nobody replied to my question regarding our CEO... Does he get a higher priority?
2) Do you guys feel the same way about employee's significant others? I can see how they would get the same priority when Travelling with the employee. But without? That doesn't make a lot of sense. My friend (flight attendant's husband)) brings nothing to the company. And yet he could get a seat and I could get left behind.
Is it fair to assume that everybody who disagrees is in favor of a more egalitaraian society?
In any case, we can agree to disagree. And I feel compelled to state that I am not feeling superior in any way. I have done my share of more labor intensive/lower paying jobs including being an airplane mechanic and working in construction.
1) Nobody replied to my question regarding our CEO... Does he get a higher priority?
2) Do you guys feel the same way about employee's significant others? I can see how they would get the same priority when Travelling with the employee. But without? That doesn't make a lot of sense. My friend (flight attendant's husband)) brings nothing to the company. And yet he could get a seat and I could get left behind.
12-10-2018, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Here's an irritation... book the jumpseat to guarentee a seat. Watch a bunch of S3Bs fill up domestic First Class and Economy Comfort, then finally be offered one of two seats farther back.
Did I hear right that UAL can list for both? Why can't we?
What's the hate agent's guidance on this situation?
Did I hear right that UAL can list for both? Why can't we?
What's the hate agent's guidance on this situation?
12-10-2018, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’m not really sure what part of my comment you’re refuting here
I’m refuting your assertion that pilots aren’t “more important” than the rest of the employees. True, we need every position to be involved, so in that sense everyone is important. But you can train a dude to dump a lav in an hour. Delta can “make” every other position, but it can’t “make” pilots. That’s why pilots are more important (not better than everyone else, just a more precious commodity), and while that may or may not warrant improved nonrev bennies (like I said before, I agree that the system shouldn’t change), it certainly warrants superior compensation for pilots. If improved nonrev priority became a part of that equation in the future, it could be justified. Again, I don’t think it should be, but to argue against a change because “everyone on the team” is equally important is fallacious. You said it was a valid argument, I said it wasn’t. That’s the part I’m refuting.
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12-10-2018, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
I’m refuting your assertion that pilots aren’t “more important” than the rest of the employees. True, we need every position to be involved, so in that sense everyone is important. But you can train a dude to dump a lav in an hour. Delta can “make” every other position, but it can’t “make” pilots. That’s why pilots are more important (not better than everyone else, just a more precious commodity), and while that may or may not warrant improved nonrev bennies (like I said before, I agree that the system shouldn’t change), it certainly warrants superior compensation for pilots. If improved nonrev priority became a part of that equation in the future, it could be justified. Again, I don’t think it should be, but to argue against a change because “everyone on the team” is equally important is fallacious. You said it was a valid argument, I said it wasn’t. That’s the part I’m refuting.
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12-11-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
The ship doesn’t move unless we all pitch in. We aren’t better than or more important than rampers just because we are paid more, and we shouldn’t get to travel more easily than they should just because we are.
You're wrong about the JS though. That is, was and always should be a pilot first thing. Period.
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