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sailingfun 02-01-2019 11:48 PM

Monroe energy
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclu...6--sector.html

gloopy 02-02-2019 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2754817)

I wonder if this is similar to selling fuel hedges at the worst possible time like before. Hey gas is cheap so lets dump the insurance for it rising (in a highly volitile and cyclical industry).

In any case, it seems like it was a tiny drop in the ocean of multi billion dollar burnbacks, er, I mean buybacks.

Mesabah 02-02-2019 10:42 AM

The refinery probably paid for itself, as it did lower the cost of fuel. However, it lowered the cost of fuel industry wide, not just for Delta. There is no competitive advantage owning it, and there isn't enough profit from the crack spread.

notEnuf 02-02-2019 12:24 PM

Now that we aren’t maximizing jet fuel production, there isn’t a reason to own it. The contract to take byproducts is over (I think) so to make it pay for itself they had to go back to the most lucrative products split. I was an ok idea that had its day but now that the entire airline industry is off hedges and there’s no advantage we should spin it off and stick to the core business.

Piklepausepull 02-06-2019 10:23 AM

I'll bet the day we sell, the crack spread doubles!

Any takers?

CGfalconHerc 02-08-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Piklepausepull (Post 2758199)
I'll bet the day we sell, the crack spread doubles!

Any takers?

^^^This..crack spread stability is worth keeping it!

I think that's what my ex said...

CG

hockeypilot44 02-10-2019 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2755206)
The refinery probably paid for itself, as it did lower the cost of fuel. However, it lowered the cost of fuel industry wide, not just for Delta. There is no competitive advantage owning it, and there isn't enough profit from the crack spread.

You buy that load of crap? It was a bad deal and if we could go back, no way our company would buy it again. Have to try and save face.

gloopy 02-10-2019 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2761424)
You buy that load of crap? It was a bad deal and if we could go back, no way our company would buy it again. Have to try and save face.

Maybe, but its less than a tenth of one year's shareholder burnback money so its basically a petty cash draw.

Mesabah 02-11-2019 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2761424)
You buy that load of crap? It was a bad deal and if we could go back, no way our company would buy it again. Have to try and save face.

It lowered the market price of fuel, which probably was enough to cover the losses. I say probably, because it would be impossible to quantify that given the unpredictable nature of markets. Yes, they would not have bought it in the first place. Fuel hedges were a much worse idea, however.

The reason Delta has been so successful in the last decade, is because the employees handed management a seamless merger. Management has made some notable blunders. That's why the billions in stock buybacks were totally outrageous.

Herkflyr 02-11-2019 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2761713)
The reason Delta has been so successful in the last decade, is because the employees handed management a seamless merger. Management has made some notable blunders. That's why the billions in stock buybacks were totally outrageous.

Are you saying our mgmt has nothing to do with our current success? I'd like to think both mgmt and labor had--and have--equal roles in it.

And who cares about past blunders, IF mgmt learned from them and didn't perpetuate them. You can Google "biggest Apple or Microsoft failures" and entertain yourself for hours. They're both still pretty successful.

And while I think the stock buybacks were a waste, they were chump change compared to some companies...like Apple and Microsoft for example. Look up their recent buybacks and compare to DAL.


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