sailingfun

The work rules dont change how many pilots are working weekends and Holidays. They decide which pilots will work those days.

Baradium

I don't have a problem with any of that. I just don't believe that bidding a holiday off with intent of working it for premium is altruistic. Play the system all you want, but I'm not going to pretend you did it just because you wanted to help me or anyone else out.

Abouttime2fish

Holiday pay equal to or greater than GS pay is only way to change this.

waldo135

I think there will be people lining up at 150%

m3113n1a1

That would be a concession in my eyes.

Needs to be 200% or greater.

beis77

Are people claiming to do it out of a sense of altruism? Why does it matter? If folks want to bid time off and then GS, then all the power to them. People do the same thing with weekends every month too (bid them off and work for premium pay).

I’m fully behind premium pay for holiday flying for all pilots. I’m just not sure why we should begrudge those that are already doing it for GS. Frankly, the pilots that are bidding off and getting GS are not looking for anyone’s praise, they’re looking for a little extra cash. Again, I say all the power to them.

Hillbilly

I’m not sure I follow you on the concession part. Today a boatload of Pilots fly on the holiday for straight pay and a significantly smaller number of senior in category pilots bid off for the holidays in an effort to avail themselves of a GS and double pay. If holiday flying were 150%, then we would go to a boatload of pilots getting time and a half and a significantly smaller number of pilots who would have to decide if it’s worth risking that there will be any GS flying to be had over the holiday when they bid. But they were the senior ones and they have options/choices.

At the end of it, I would expect that total pilot pay would go up over the holidays by a noticeable amount and the company would have less open time to cover over those same holidays. I have a hard time rationalizing that the pilot group making more money as whole is a concession.

m3113n1a1

I guess you're right, it's difficult to quantify though. It could cost the company more, less, or the same. But I doubt it would be a drastic difference either way. I'd be open to it!

As a senior pilot going from 200% (probably) to 150% would be a slight concession, however at least I wouldn't have to wait for that last minute greenslip. (I personally don't fly Christmas if I can avoid it, and wouldn't even for a guaranteed 150%)

Hillbilly

I think you could quantify it. Take the historical flying on every qualifying holiday period for the last 5 years. Multiply every hour by 1.5 and then compare that to the pay hours that actually occurred. It would get you in the ballpark I would think. If they are going to ask for something like this, surely they have already done that or at least I would think they would have.

Abouttime2fish

I think you either pay 150% for an entire trip that touches an apd holiday days, or 200% just on the apd holiday days. Not that I’d refuse better....